New Falklands War Brewing
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That's pathetic.
They can't come up with a reasoned argument to support their cause
so they attack two individuals instead of the Gov't.
They can't come up with a reasoned argument to support their cause
so they attack two individuals instead of the Gov't.
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I might call it 'good' business... These idiots are only interested in themselves and making money.. When they go on these tours is it to sell their product to those that pay to hear them or see them perform?. I am guessing if they demanded that the Falklands remain British then there audience figures might not compare to the hail the emperor, hail the Malivinarse (Fruedian slip) type approach. Hopefully we will remember what they have done, what they have said when it comes to making decisions about what shows to watch or what music to buy?
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Of course the fear has to be that such overt public statements might embolden Mrs Kirchner to act, leading to the deaths of servicemen on both sides. An unintended consequence of a left wing pacifist attempting to boost ticket sales?
Probably better if they had worn "We hate HMS Conqueror" T shirts.
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The two guys on the tosser's left don't look to comfy with those silly shirts......
They are truly pathetic and I would certainly have walked out while making a fuss.
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Theres a simple solution to this.
1. Give the Argies the Falklands, based on an agreement that Lionel Messi is given a full UK passport based on intelligence he has a Grandma born and still living in Kent.
2. Next World Cup, England V Argentina in the final. Messi scores the winner for England with a "hand of god".
3. Just shoot Morrissey anyway, who needs him
1. Give the Argies the Falklands, based on an agreement that Lionel Messi is given a full UK passport based on intelligence he has a Grandma born and still living in Kent.
2. Next World Cup, England V Argentina in the final. Messi scores the winner for England with a "hand of god".
3. Just shoot Morrissey anyway, who needs him
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Falkland Islands 'was nearly shared by Britain and Argentina'
Britain was on the verge of sharing the Falkland Islands with Argentina almost 40 years ago, with islanders having joint nationality, it was claimed on Tuesday.
Falkland Islands 'was nearly shared by Britain and Argentina' - Telegraph
Britain was on the verge of sharing the Falkland Islands with Argentina almost 40 years ago, with islanders having joint nationality, it was claimed on Tuesday.
The deal was accepted in 1974 by President Juan Domingo Perón with
"euphoria", but was never concluded because he died three weeks after the offer was made, according to a document seen by Argentine newspaper La Nacion.
Britain did not trust his wife and successor, María Estela Martínez, and so
the plan was dropped, the newspaper reported. Eight years later the two
countries went to war when Argentinian troops invaded the islands in 1982.
The "non-official document" from the Foreign Office, shows Britain offered "to settle the dispute about sovereignty".
"The British and Argentine flags would fly side by side and the official languages would be English and Spanish," the document states. "All 'belongers' of the island would possess dual nationality."
"Before final agreement the Islanders would have to be formally consulted and their acceptance sought by some form of popular representation.
"On this basis, Her Majesty's Government propose that, if the Argentine
Government agree, official or preliminary official talks should take place in Buenos Aires as soon as possible."
James Hutton, the British ambassador to Argentina, handed the note to Alberto Vignes, the Argentine foreign minister, at a meeting June 11, 1974.
When the Argentine president was informed of the offer, he reacted with
"euphoria", said Carlos Ortiz de Rozas, a diplomat in the Peron administration.
"(Vignes) confided in me that Peron had told him: 'Let's accept. Once we
have one foot in the Malvinas nobody will get us out and before long Argentina will have full sovereignty'" said Mr Ortiz de Rozas, 85.
However, Peron died from a heart attack having suffered pneumonia on July 1, and was succeeded by his dancer wife, known as Isabel. She proved incapable of uniting the country, and the military junta toppled her from power in a coup in 1976.
In 1980 Mr Ortiz de Rozas became ambassador to Britain, a position he still held when Argentina invaded the Falklands.
"As well as being a tragedy, the war was the wrong path, because concrete
steps had been taken to resolve the problem of sovereignty through peaceful means," he said.
A Foreign Office spokesman said: "This (document) does not detract from
Argentina's illegal and unjustified act of aggression in invading the islands, nor from our belief that the Falkland Islanders should have the final say in their own futures."
Tensions between the two countries have escalated in recent months in advance of April's 30th anniversary of Britain's successful war to liberate the Falklands.
Argentina's industry minister last month called for British imports to be
banned, in the latest attempt to compel Britain to negotiate over the
sovereignty of the islands.
Jeremy Browne, Foreign Office minister, on Tuesday denounced Argentina's "economic blockade" of the Falklands.
"Britain's position on this matter is very clear. We do not seek a dispute
with Argentina," Mr Browne said.
"But we have an absolute belief in the principle of self-determination. And we do not believe that an economic blockade of the Falklands is the right thing to do."
"euphoria", but was never concluded because he died three weeks after the offer was made, according to a document seen by Argentine newspaper La Nacion.
Britain did not trust his wife and successor, María Estela Martínez, and so
the plan was dropped, the newspaper reported. Eight years later the two
countries went to war when Argentinian troops invaded the islands in 1982.
The "non-official document" from the Foreign Office, shows Britain offered "to settle the dispute about sovereignty".
"The British and Argentine flags would fly side by side and the official languages would be English and Spanish," the document states. "All 'belongers' of the island would possess dual nationality."
"Before final agreement the Islanders would have to be formally consulted and their acceptance sought by some form of popular representation.
"On this basis, Her Majesty's Government propose that, if the Argentine
Government agree, official or preliminary official talks should take place in Buenos Aires as soon as possible."
James Hutton, the British ambassador to Argentina, handed the note to Alberto Vignes, the Argentine foreign minister, at a meeting June 11, 1974.
When the Argentine president was informed of the offer, he reacted with
"euphoria", said Carlos Ortiz de Rozas, a diplomat in the Peron administration.
"(Vignes) confided in me that Peron had told him: 'Let's accept. Once we
have one foot in the Malvinas nobody will get us out and before long Argentina will have full sovereignty'" said Mr Ortiz de Rozas, 85.
However, Peron died from a heart attack having suffered pneumonia on July 1, and was succeeded by his dancer wife, known as Isabel. She proved incapable of uniting the country, and the military junta toppled her from power in a coup in 1976.
In 1980 Mr Ortiz de Rozas became ambassador to Britain, a position he still held when Argentina invaded the Falklands.
"As well as being a tragedy, the war was the wrong path, because concrete
steps had been taken to resolve the problem of sovereignty through peaceful means," he said.
A Foreign Office spokesman said: "This (document) does not detract from
Argentina's illegal and unjustified act of aggression in invading the islands, nor from our belief that the Falkland Islanders should have the final say in their own futures."
Tensions between the two countries have escalated in recent months in advance of April's 30th anniversary of Britain's successful war to liberate the Falklands.
Argentina's industry minister last month called for British imports to be
banned, in the latest attempt to compel Britain to negotiate over the
sovereignty of the islands.
Jeremy Browne, Foreign Office minister, on Tuesday denounced Argentina's "economic blockade" of the Falklands.
"Britain's position on this matter is very clear. We do not seek a dispute
with Argentina," Mr Browne said.
"But we have an absolute belief in the principle of self-determination. And we do not believe that an economic blockade of the Falklands is the right thing to do."
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After a bloody battle a Royal Marine found an enemy camera. Thirty years later Nick Taylor tracked down the Argentine soldier in the pictures | Mail Online
21:00 Return to the Falklands
Thirty years after the Falklands War, three men travel back to the islands together. Veteran Simon Weston is given the opportunity to experience the stunning wildlife on Sea Lion Island, while for one-time war correspondent Michael Nicholson, it is a chance to witness the changes that have taken place since 1982. Former marine Nick Taylor has a poignant reason for his return - he found a camera left behind by an Argentinian soldier and wants to reunite the photos with their owner.
Thirty years after the Falklands War, three men travel back to the islands together. Veteran Simon Weston is given the opportunity to experience the stunning wildlife on Sea Lion Island, while for one-time war correspondent Michael Nicholson, it is a chance to witness the changes that have taken place since 1982. Former marine Nick Taylor has a poignant reason for his return - he found a camera left behind by an Argentinian soldier and wants to reunite the photos with their owner.
After a bloody battle a Royal Marine found an enemy camera. Thirty years later Nick Taylor tracked down the Argentine soldier in the pictures | Mail Online
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Something to bear in mind was that the southern part of modern Argentina was never actually part of the Spanish empire. They never got that far, and the Mapuche Indians were able to hold them off until the late 1800's. It was really only when the Welsh settled in Patagonia that the Argentines and Chileans began to show an interest.
In 1860 the various Mapuche tribes got together and declared their own Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia - and appointed a frenchman as their king. The Chileans quickly moved in and deposed him, but since then the Kingdom still exists, though in exile in France. However the Kingdom predates any annexation of territory by Argentina or Chile.It also appears that the UK -at the time -recognised the Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia as the valid controlling power.
Wouldn't it be just deserts if the UK were to start a campaign at the UN to reinstate the Kingdom as the valid government, and to award compensation to the dispossesed Mapuche peoples, who have been subject to imposed rule by Argentina and Chile since 1862 and 1880 respectively?
Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia - Mapuche Portal - Index
Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia - Lomwiki, the micronation encyclopaedia
Map of the Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia
In 1860 the various Mapuche tribes got together and declared their own Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia - and appointed a frenchman as their king. The Chileans quickly moved in and deposed him, but since then the Kingdom still exists, though in exile in France. However the Kingdom predates any annexation of territory by Argentina or Chile.It also appears that the UK -at the time -recognised the Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia as the valid controlling power.
Wouldn't it be just deserts if the UK were to start a campaign at the UN to reinstate the Kingdom as the valid government, and to award compensation to the dispossesed Mapuche peoples, who have been subject to imposed rule by Argentina and Chile since 1862 and 1880 respectively?
Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia - Mapuche Portal - Index
Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia - Lomwiki, the micronation encyclopaedia
Map of the Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia
Last edited by Milo Minderbinder; 31st Mar 2012 at 22:28.
A really great piece of history there, Milo. Thank you. And, let's face it, it wasn't too far displaced in time from when Argentina gave up it's brief claim on the islands. In fact, we'd probably inhabited the place the first time before they were even the country they are today.
Probably doesn't make any difference now, though. The point is, they are British and the Falkland Islanders want to remain so. End of story, I think.
Probably doesn't make any difference now, though. The point is, they are British and the Falkland Islanders want to remain so. End of story, I think.