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I see another entertainer has joined the Sean Penn band wagon.
Outspoken British rocker Morrissey waded into the debate over the Falkland Islands during a concert in Argentina.
The former Smiths star performed a gig in Cordoba and he used the opportunity to address the ongoing issues over the disputed British-held region, insisting the Atlantic Ocean archipelago should belong to Argentina.
During the show, Morrissey addressed the islands by their Argentinian name, the Malvinas, and told the crowd: "You know of course the Malvinas Islands, everybody knows they belong to Argentina so please do not blame the British people, we know the islands belong to you".
The star's comments were met with loud cheers from the crowd and he then launched into a rendition of The Smiths' Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want.
Political arguments over the islands have been re-ignited in recent weeks ahead of the anniversary of the 1982 war, when British troops saw off an invasion of the Falklands by Argentinian forces.
Morrissey's comments come just days after Pink Floyd star Roger Waters accused the British government of "ridiculous colonialism" by hanging onto the islands, while Hollywood actor Sean Penn has also backed Argentina.
Read more: Morrissey wades into Falklands debate
Outspoken British rocker Morrissey waded into the debate over the Falkland Islands during a concert in Argentina.
The former Smiths star performed a gig in Cordoba and he used the opportunity to address the ongoing issues over the disputed British-held region, insisting the Atlantic Ocean archipelago should belong to Argentina.
During the show, Morrissey addressed the islands by their Argentinian name, the Malvinas, and told the crowd: "You know of course the Malvinas Islands, everybody knows they belong to Argentina so please do not blame the British people, we know the islands belong to you".
The star's comments were met with loud cheers from the crowd and he then launched into a rendition of The Smiths' Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want.
Political arguments over the islands have been re-ignited in recent weeks ahead of the anniversary of the 1982 war, when British troops saw off an invasion of the Falklands by Argentinian forces.
Morrissey's comments come just days after Pink Floyd star Roger Waters accused the British government of "ridiculous colonialism" by hanging onto the islands, while Hollywood actor Sean Penn has also backed Argentina.
Read more: Morrissey wades into Falklands debate
We keep hearing from politicians that the Falklanders want to remain British, but when are they going to actually be given the voice to say it for themselves?
There would be no finer repost to Penn, Morrissey and Waters than for the Falklanders themselves to invite the three "stars" to the Islands so that they can thank them in person for their clueless interference.
There would be no finer repost to Penn, Morrissey and Waters than for the Falklanders themselves to invite the three "stars" to the Islands so that they can thank them in person for their clueless interference.
With you Ewan. Let's take that a bit further. Three "stars":
Penn - socialist, activist, but impressive in that he now knows where South America is. Declared supporter of Iran, protested against the Iraq war, even though he knew nothing about it. Jumps on contentious issues for publicity and, let's face it, cash.
Morrissey - outspoken racist and anti-violence who turned to 'gangsta', took up boxing and hung out with a skinhead, called Jake. Developed a homoerotic obsession with violent morons and started wearing 'bling'.
Waters - caused the downfall of the world's greatest ever band and then tried to sue them when they carried on playing their own songs. Another musician who has repeatedly jumped on numerous political bandwagons. He wrote some great songs, but now has become a late-middle-aged meddler. He even wrote an album about it
Nobody gave them a voice in modern politics. Who cares what they have to say?
Morrissey - outspoken racist and anti-violence who turned to 'gangsta', took up boxing and hung out with a skinhead, called Jake. Developed a homoerotic obsession with violent morons and started wearing 'bling'.
Waters - caused the downfall of the world's greatest ever band and then tried to sue them when they carried on playing their own songs. Another musician who has repeatedly jumped on numerous political bandwagons. He wrote some great songs, but now has become a late-middle-aged meddler. He even wrote an album about it
Oh, here's a thing. Waters has a website. And one of the pages invites us all to post pictures of fallen loved ones. Fallen in WAR. I have a lot of friends that fell in 1982. I wonder how many rememberances we need to post there before he gets the message?
Roger Waters
Of course, one would want to make it clear that posts are in support of those that fell and the cause for which they fell, not his arbitrary pacifist, publicity-seeking rant.
Roger Waters
Of course, one would want to make it clear that posts are in support of those that fell and the cause for which they fell, not his arbitrary pacifist, publicity-seeking rant.
"Fallen Loved Ones’ is a request, from me, reaching out to ask you to provide a photograph and personal details of a ‘Loved One’ lost in war. Your ‘Loved One’s’ pictures and details would be included, along with those of my father Eric, in my up coming show THE WALL, as an act of remembrance. The ‘Fallen Loved One’ does not have to have been a soldier. Civilian deaths are equally, if not more, harrowing.
I make this request to you in light of my belief that many of these tragic losses of life are avoidable. I feel empathy with the families of all the victims and anger at ‘THE POWERS THAT BE’, who are responsible, in equal measure. Please join me in honouring our dead and protesting their loss.
Roger Waters "
Let's see you show these in your show, Roger...I make this request to you in light of my belief that many of these tragic losses of life are avoidable. I feel empathy with the families of all the victims and anger at ‘THE POWERS THAT BE’, who are responsible, in equal measure. Please join me in honouring our dead and protesting their loss.
Roger Waters "
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That is a very good point. It would be nice to see what they say splashed across the front page occasionally.
Courtney
Excellent.
I wish Roger Waters would stick to just writing music / songs and performing, something I think he is actually good at even though my estimation of him has gone down. I also didn't hear Roger Waters saying anything about the Falkalnds in 1982 when
The Wall was being sold in the millions.
That is a very good point. It would be nice to see what they say splashed across the front page occasionally.
Courtney
Excellent.
I wish Roger Waters would stick to just writing music / songs and performing, something I think he is actually good at even though my estimation of him has gone down. I also didn't hear Roger Waters saying anything about the Falkalnds in 1982 when
The Wall was being sold in the millions.
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Morrissey is still trying to find that elusive fourth chord for his "tunes". Boring, funereal, monotonous tw@t with delusions of eloquence. The fact he's made millions just shows how dumbed down the pop industry is. He should stick to writing and sing.... sorry, just writing, dross for cash
Water, Morrissey, Penn.
Like the music/films, ignore the rhetoric.
Nothing to see here, move along....
Like the music/films, ignore the rhetoric.
Nothing to see here, move along....
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We keep hearing from politicians that the Falklanders want to remain British, but when are they going to actually be given the voice to say it for themselves?
There would be no finer repost to Penn, Morrissey and Waters than for the Falklanders themselves to invite the three "stars" to the Islands so that they can thank them in person for their clueless interference.
There would be no finer repost to Penn, Morrissey and Waters than for the Falklanders themselves to invite the three "stars" to the Islands so that they can thank them in person for their clueless interference.
The Falkland Islands put on a show of strength against Argentine aggression and outspoken left-wing Hollywood actor Sean Penn - with a mile-long convoy of 4x4s.
Dozens of Union Flag-waving Falklanders snaked their way out of the capital Stanley yesterday afternoon in a patriotic blur of red, white and blue.
The procession, which looked at times like a summer carnival parade, is unlikely to scare Argentina into not launching an attack on the dispute archipelago.
It is also doubtful it will force Penn, who has consistently backed Argentina in recent days, to keep his mouth shut.
But it does act as a message from the 3,000 islanders who, amidst increasing tensions between Britain and Argentina, remain keen to stay under London's control.
Pride of Britain: Falkland Islanders stage 4x4 convoy to tell Sean Penn where to stick his views
And in all the pictures in the article you will notice the flag being flown the correct way!
Haven't been able to play a Mozza tune since his collapse during 'This Charming Man' in Swindon. - The opening song. Buggered off to hospital we're told, miraculous recovery and a day later he's playing somewhere else.
Someone mention LMF?
Perhaps he should follow some of his own advice From his classic 'Ouija Board'
The table is rumbling, the glass is moving (No I was not pushing that time!)
It spells S-T-E-V-E-N P-U-S-H O-F-F
Someone mention LMF?
Perhaps he should follow some of his own advice From his classic 'Ouija Board'
The table is rumbling, the glass is moving (No I was not pushing that time!)
It spells S-T-E-V-E-N P-U-S-H O-F-F
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I wish Roger Waters would stick to just writing music / songs and performing, something I think he is actually good at even though my estimation of him has gone down. I also didn't hear Roger Waters saying anything about the Falkalnds in 1982 when The Wall was being sold in the millions.
IIRC, David Gilmour (who has some equally odd views about Op Corporate, being both against it and in favour of it because of his inability to allow his pacifism to trump his views on the importance of self-determination for the islanders) was so irritated with the album being a rant about Corporate that it proved the straw which broke the camel's back and led to the band imploding (Gilmour refused to have his name in the credits and Waters sacked Rick Wright from the band).
Waters has some decidedly odd views about world affairs, in no small part influenced by his interpretation of his father's life: Eric Waters was a pacifist and conscientious objector, who drove ambulances in the Blitz, before deciding as a result of his experiences that being a CO in a fight against Hitler was morally unacceptable, leading him to the Army, the Anzio beaches and his death when young Roger was just months old (and to 'When the Tigers Broke Free' and in no small part to The Wall itself). Waters fils was chairman of Cambridge CND when he was 15/16 or so, and has, I'd suggest, always been likely to have held views such as this about Dependent Territories, etc.
Partly because of that, and partly because he has produced some rather decent music, I'm willing to sigh very deeply, wish that he stuck to what he's damn good at, and to vaguely tolerate his ill-informed ramblings as being at least possessed of some well meaning intent in their origins, no matter how silly I might find them.
As opposed to tolerating the views of the odious, wife-beating publicity-seeking Mr Penn and that odious, depressing, publicity seeking
Mr Morrissey for a nanosecond, since that pair strike me as the archytypal 'look at me! I have something to say' sort of character who used to last about five seconds before attitude reajudstment occurred at the hands of teacher/in the playground of my rather robust primary school.
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I had the fortune of visiting the islands a few weeks ago (no i`m not a Times Journo), although i had limited time down there i took the chance to visit as many of the graves in memory of the brave lads who sacrificed themselves to allow the islanders to remain British.
The three "individuals" have the right to say what they want to whom they want (the right to freedom of speech and all that), however just a few minutes in the presence of heroes buried on the island (and those whose graves are the sea) bring home why the islands will stay British.
I took the moment to pull out the obligatory "brasso" and gently cleansed what i could, although only 9 y.o when the F.I war took place i still remember key events...Sheffield being hit, HMS Coventry on fire...and the now famous Brian Hanrahan quote from the deck of HMS Hermes.
To stand on the spot where H . Jones was killed and then to stand in what remains of the Argentinian trench where the shot is believed to have come from will bring a lump to any man`s throat.
To read the ages on the headstones in San Carlos cemetery(19/21/28 etc) and then the 2 para nominal roll at Goose Green made me realise just how much the islands mean not only to the islanders but also to Britain.
To see the islanders living life to the max (as best as they can with at least an hours drive to the nearest pub) shows their sacrifice has given the islanders hope.
And i was fortunate that it was the summertime so was extremely idyllic but i can imagine how hostile it must be when i could see the trees parallel to the ground at right angles..
Hopefully the words that the argies spout are merely hollow, however i for one want them to remain British for as long as i shall live ... and i dont live on the island.
CM
The three "individuals" have the right to say what they want to whom they want (the right to freedom of speech and all that), however just a few minutes in the presence of heroes buried on the island (and those whose graves are the sea) bring home why the islands will stay British.
I took the moment to pull out the obligatory "brasso" and gently cleansed what i could, although only 9 y.o when the F.I war took place i still remember key events...Sheffield being hit, HMS Coventry on fire...and the now famous Brian Hanrahan quote from the deck of HMS Hermes.
To stand on the spot where H . Jones was killed and then to stand in what remains of the Argentinian trench where the shot is believed to have come from will bring a lump to any man`s throat.
To read the ages on the headstones in San Carlos cemetery(19/21/28 etc) and then the 2 para nominal roll at Goose Green made me realise just how much the islands mean not only to the islanders but also to Britain.
To see the islanders living life to the max (as best as they can with at least an hours drive to the nearest pub) shows their sacrifice has given the islanders hope.
And i was fortunate that it was the summertime so was extremely idyllic but i can imagine how hostile it must be when i could see the trees parallel to the ground at right angles..
Hopefully the words that the argies spout are merely hollow, however i for one want them to remain British for as long as i shall live ... and i dont live on the island.
CM
Eureka,
I'm a life-long Floyd fan and I agree with what you say there. Thank you for some very insightful comments. But I am far less forgiving of Waters. Went off after the demise of PF.
Colonal, Sir.
An excellent post. Thank you for sharing your recent experience.
I'm a life-long Floyd fan and I agree with what you say there. Thank you for some very insightful comments. But I am far less forgiving of Waters. Went off after the demise of PF.
Colonal, Sir.
An excellent post. Thank you for sharing your recent experience.
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Pink Floyd are public schoolboy muso wankathon cretins that produced boring music.
Can't really comment on Sean Penn, other than Madonna was quite tasty when he was banging her.
Can't really comment on Sean Penn, other than Madonna was quite tasty when he was banging her.
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Yes, a Floyd fan here as well and, to be honest, I was not a Roger Waters fan initially, but I've come round to respect his right to an opinion & his pacifist views.
Having said that, he's using his right to "free speech" in such a way that it could lead to a more confrontational stance from Argentina (Not saying he'll be the one to influence their policy) and possibly embolden their resolve. This could, sadly, lead to casualties on both sides even if it doesn't come to a military conflict.
Fine. Have your views Roger, but for pity's sake, think of the consequences for those who are directly affected by this issue!
Having said that, he's using his right to "free speech" in such a way that it could lead to a more confrontational stance from Argentina (Not saying he'll be the one to influence their policy) and possibly embolden their resolve. This could, sadly, lead to casualties on both sides even if it doesn't come to a military conflict.
Fine. Have your views Roger, but for pity's sake, think of the consequences for those who are directly affected by this issue!
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think of the consequences for those who are directly affected by this issue!
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"Pink Floyd are public schoolboy muso wankathon cretins that produced boring music."
Yep, spot on, and from memory (since it was a long time ago), not only the Public school I went to but all the others we visited when paying against them in Rugby or Althletics AND if you don't mind me saying, every grammar school as well. It wasn't just confined to Public Schools.
I suppose by your reasoning you would also say that the Sex Pistols, The Clash et al of that era were confined to Grammar Schools and Kings Road ?
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"Pink Floyd are public schoolboy muso wankathon cretins that produced boring music."
Yep, spot on, and from memory (since it was a long time ago), not only the Public school I went to but all the others we visited when paying against them in Rugby or Althletics AND if you don't mind me saying, every grammar school as well. It wasn't just confined to Public Schools.
I suppose by your reasoning you would also say that the Sex Pistols, The Clash et al of that era were confined to Grammar Schools and Kings Road ?
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Nice one Colonal.
If there's any doubt why we should defend the Islands, here's one I took earlier.
If there's any doubt why we should defend the Islands, here's one I took earlier.
Here's a little cure for your low blood pressure
Falklands: Morrissey's band wear 'We Hate William and Kate' T-shirts in Argentina - Telegraph
Just in case anyone is thinking of it, I would not accord him the distinction of a round to the head. He is, after all, only a wandering minstrel.
p.s. I wonder if Penn, Morrissey & Waters will notice the few who recognise them turning their backs.
Just in case anyone is thinking of it, I would not accord him the distinction of a round to the head. He is, after all, only a wandering minstrel.
p.s. I wonder if Penn, Morrissey & Waters will notice the few who recognise them turning their backs.
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