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Old 21st Feb 2012, 14:23   #681 (permalink)
 
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Hapless Left wing actor supporting a right wing Junta (Pronounced Cccccchhhhunta) ? Argentina's record against its own people does leave something to be desired ?

Their behaviour is typical Latin American posturing, machismo and frankly, staggering hypocrisy. The would be "colonialists" here are indeed the Argentinians, as the right of self determination of and by the Falkland Islanders is paramount. Is not the United Nations a great advocate of this principle, or are they still horse trading with scum like Mugabe ?
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 21:32   #682 (permalink)
 
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I noticed an article in the DT or the Telegraph where a whole load of Argie academics, intellectuals etc wrote to the Argie pres saying lay off the Falklands and let the issue be, as well as we stuffed it up 30 years ago and everything we had done previously was lost.

Maybe a few are trying to get her to see sense !!!
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 22:04   #683 (permalink)
 
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there's certainly a lot in the Argentine media that see straight through the fragrant Christinas antics - they know when someone is waving a big, fat worm at them in the hope that it'll divert attention from this weeks economic catstrophe or corruption scandal.

however, two issues: firstly its not the sceptical press that has control over the Argentine military, just as it wasn't the million(ish) people who marched in london in 2003 who got to decide if we invaded Iraq, and secondly the lower her ratings, and the more she's derided in the press for her transparent antics, the more desperate she'll become, and the more she'll be aware that if she were to pull it off, all her troubles would go away.

now, there may be lots of opposition and skepticism in Argentina right now, but the truth is that if she were to deliver the FI she'd be president for life. and she knows it.
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 22:11   #684 (permalink)
 
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"and the more she'll be aware that if she were to pull it off, all her troubles would go away."

"but the truth is that if she were to deliver the FI she'd be president for life. and she knows it."


And she can live in fantasy land as long as she likes because it isn't going to happen or if she tries, it will end up just like last time, just might take a litle longer.
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Old 23rd Feb 2012, 06:52   #685 (permalink)
 
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Cristina Kirchner has been warned to leave Falkland Islanders to decide their own future as Argentina's president faced a backlash from a group of the South American country's leading thinkers.

So, there are some Argies capable of thinking! Hmm, interesting. Did they consider the possibility that El Presidente Kirchawalla won't take a blind bit of notice of their reasoning? Their views don't equate to votes or popularity so her ear will be deaf.

Cristina Kirchner told to leave Falkland Islanders alone, by Argentina's intellectuals - Telegraph
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Old 23rd Feb 2012, 06:55   #686 (permalink)
 
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I am surprised Chile has not made any noises - their mainland is just as far/close to the Falklands as that of Argentina.
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Old 23rd Feb 2012, 08:14   #687 (permalink)
 
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We have sold military equipment to Chile, they have no claim on FI and they gave UK logistic support and facilities during the last unpleasantness. They have no need or reason to make noises.
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Old 23rd Feb 2012, 08:26   #688 (permalink)
 
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as importantly, given that Argentina and Chile share a border that Argentina thinks should be a lot further west than it currently is, Chile has about as much interest in a resurgent Argentina with a recent history of successful terratorial expansion under its belt as i do in Prison love.

which is to say, not much.

added to which, most of the LA countries backed Argentina in the 1982 war (their support falling short of actual help of course - but its the thought that counts), and they still hold a grudge against Chile for following its national interests, and not those of a tin-pot dictatorship they regularly had conflicts with. so Chile stays silent on the issue in order to avoid stoking up old fights which won't do its political inflence in MERCOSUR , and therefore its economy, any good at all.
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 10:36   #689 (permalink)
 
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SAS ring of steel protects William: Falklands guard as tensions rise ahead of anniversary

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A team of Special Forces troops is providing a ‘ring of steel’ around Prince William in the Falklands amid mounting tensions with Argentina over the islands.At least 20 servicemen from the Special Air Service and Special Boat Service are on the South Atlantic archipelago to assess – and counter – any threat of Argentine action.One of their prime roles is to identify any threat posed to the Duke of Cambridge, whose deployment at the time of the 30th anniversary of the Falklands War has caused outrage in Buenos Aires.

Intelligence analysts say the biggest danger to William, whose uncle Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot during the 1982 conflict, is likely to come from an individual or small group.Special Forces operatives carried out extensive reconnaissance of the islands before William arrived.
SAS ring of steel protects William: Falklands guard as tensions rise ahead of anniversary | Mail Online
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 12:19   #690 (permalink)
 
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I'm sure this is part of a sophisticated IO campaign. After all the SAS is clearly the biggest regiment in the British Army....
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 12:50   #691 (permalink)
 
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If you haven't seen it:

BBC News - Could Britain still defend the Falklands?
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 16:14   #692 (permalink)
 
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I see in this weeks "economist" that they've stopped using Argie Govt figures on their economy as Mrs K & friends are leaning on the independent authority and individuals to keep published inflation numbers low

Inflation is running wild - we've been here before

The Falklands is just a distraction for failing Argentinian Govts
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 16:39   #693 (permalink)
 
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Bombers from Ascension - backed by refuelling planes - could destroy Mt Pleasant air base if it fell into Argentine hands. Once Argentine defences had been nullified, special forces could be dropped onto the islands.
Without wishing to sound flippant - really!?
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 18:43   #694 (permalink)
 
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Well it looks like the Argie's are taking things further again. As 2x Cruise ships belonging to Carnival Group "The Adonia and the Star Princess" have just been blocked from docking into the port at Tierra Del Fuego due to them visiting the Falklands.

Both ships have been forced to sail onto Chile instead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17184955[
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 18:46   #695 (permalink)
 
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Without wishing to sound flippant - really!?
I know you weren't being flippant, Chris, but looking at it carefully, I think we could. Maybe the question is, "Is that how we would want to do it?"

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Old 27th Feb 2012, 19:01   #696 (permalink)
 
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unless there's been some significant change in Tornado or Typhoons capabilities, surely this faces the same problem that the proposed Buccaneer strike in 1982 had - they can't stay in the air long enough to fly from Assension, fire Storm Shadow ALCM's at MPA, and fly back to Assension.

TLAM's are the only strike option available once MPA is lost/disabled. unless anyone fancies taking Ocean and a deck full of AH-64's down there to fight it out with Skyhawks and Mirage III's...
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 19:29   #697 (permalink)
 
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Cokecan,

If the Powers that be get this right, Tiffies and Tonkas will be operating from the Falkland Islands themselves in order to see off Argentinian Forces. However, if we get to that stage in preparation, I should imagine that they'll be no such attempt by Argentina to re-take the Islands. This may mean maintaining a heavy military air and land presence for an indefinite period. If we get to the stage where we are attempting to regain the Islands, then we'll face a near insurmountable predicament.

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Old 27th Feb 2012, 19:46   #698 (permalink)
 
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FB,

''If the Powers that be get this right...''

you see my concern?
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 20:27   #699 (permalink)


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So assuming the Argies DO attack successfully, all we could do would be to lob missiles at them to try and shut down the airbases and decapitate the government.

So how many TLAMs, and how many launch platforms will that take? And how many of each do we have?
It doesn't add up does it? Its all very well sending one sub down there, but the maths don't make sense
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 20:46   #700 (permalink)
 
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Oil may be what the current dispute is about - according to some sources, a compromise whereby Britain allows the profits to be split 50-50 is likely to be considered.
Why on earth should we allow them anything? It would only legitimise their claim.
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