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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 16th Oct 2017, 20:47
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C'mon George, we ken it's optimised for frontal LO so a wee bit of silk hanging oot the back is nothing tae gae wans bloomers in a twist.....

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Old 16th Oct 2017, 21:05
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The Dutchies plan to unbolt that DAG as required (only used when up norf) whilst Norskmen may have it all the time.


http://www.codeonemagazine.com/f35_a...ml?item_id=138

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Old 17th Oct 2017, 17:57
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F35 "Cleared for Take-Off"

Quote extracted from link : "She’s a masterful piece of engineering and it makes her so effortless to fly. It’s impossible not to be exhilarated every time. She’s a beast when you want her to be and tame when you need her to be. She’s beautiful."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/f...lect-committee

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Old 17th Oct 2017, 18:58
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Do you have a box of Kleenex?
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 18:59
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Aye, quickly moving past the sales pitch and glossy catalogue pictures...

A. Does it actually, really, honestly do what it says on the tin and more importantly, everything asked for in the design spec that was on the table when we bought into the programme?

B. Taking the cost per unit into consideration, and investing the same amount into, and buying a current frame such as the F15E or F16 to get more aircraft which is the best buy for the UK?

C. 5 x F35B vs 5 x SU 27.... Who wins?


Just a few off the top of the head questions....
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Beautiful? Andy, have you never heard of Specsavers?
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 19:55
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Originally Posted by Always a Sapper
Aye, quickly moving past the sales pitch and glossy catalogue pictures...

A. Does it actually, really, honestly do what it says on the tin and more importantly, everything asked for in the design spec that was on the table when we bought into the programme?

B. Taking the cost per unit into consideration, and investing the same amount into, and buying a current frame such as the F15E or F16 to get more aircraft which is the best buy for the UK?

C. 5 x F35B vs 5 x SU 27.... Who wins?


Just a few off the top of the head questions....
Sapper,

Is point C is a serious question or a waaah?!
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 09:15
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Cleared for take-off:

Buried in the blurb is the interesting statement that 4 first tour pilots will train on the F35. Good to hear this, on a par with the first 4 EE Lightning first tourists. Though if it were me, I'd rather have Tiffs.....
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 11:43
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She’s a masterful piece of engineering and it makes her so effortless to fly. It’s impossible not to be exhilarated every time. She’s a beast when you want her to be and tame when you need her to be. She’s beautiful.

So when did Barbara Cartland start writing advertising copy for LockMart?
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 11:46
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Originally Posted by BEagle
Beautiful? Andy, have you never heard of Specsavers?
Would you have rather had the -32?...
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 11:48
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C. 5 x F35B vs 5 x SU 27.... Who wins?

It's scenario-dependent. If the F-35s detect, track, ID and get within a high Pk launch envelope before they are detected themselves, it's a bad day for the Su-27s. But if all you've got is AMRAAM, which is all you've got if you're stealthy, and even a couple of the Sus survive to the merge...
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Would you have rather had the -32?...

I'd rather have had the delta F-16. And we could have had it 17 years ago.

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Old 18th Oct 2017, 13:06
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So why didn't you get it? Short production runs make for expensive aircraft and expensive parts support in the longer term.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 13:15
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Originally Posted by George K Lee
C. 5 x F35B vs 5 x SU 27.... Who wins?

It's scenario-dependent. If the F-35s detect, track, ID and get within a high Pk launch envelope before they are detected themselves, it's a bad day for the Su-27s. But if all you've got is AMRAAM, which is all you've got if you're stealthy, and even a couple of the Sus survive to the merge...


Right. Moreover, such questions reflect "mentality of the previous war". Or a war between undeveloped countries (in a military sense).
In a "serious" war such aircraft on both sides would be (though I wish it never happens) accompanied by and dependent on things like "your" AWACS, Rivet Joint and other e-warfare planes, plus multitude of surface radars, SAMs, etc. etc. Many of them on the Net with unclear performance (of this Net) in combat conditions.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 16:13
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Oh right, I have AWACS and Rivet Joint. At least I think I do. Hey, where'd they go?



As for the delta F-16 - we nearly did get it, but the Pooh-Bahs of Pentagon Power, back in 1990-something, had an idea worth ten of that, and we know what it was.
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https://www.dvidshub.net/video/559300/f-35-eielson-debut

F35 arrives for cold weather testing... Ok, not news.

However, around 1:25 in,one can see there's a pod on the spine of the jet I've not seen before, which appears to open and close. Anyone know what it is? I initially thought drag chute housing or something for 'icey runway tests' but then saw the shot of it 'open' in flight.
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The F-35A drag chute is in that pod (perhaps not in this screenshot because testing the open/close function inflight I'm guessing) so the chute will be deployed upon landing at about 150 KIAS. I'll post a YouTube video soonish. AF-02 is the work horse 'orange wire' F-35A test aircraft (lots of gauges & stuff inside).

F-35A AF-02 Drag Chute Pod Testing ICY Alaska Oct 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXc_tecwms

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Old 20th Oct 2017, 17:10
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Cheers for that. Just couldn't suss out why they'd have it open seemingly in reheat!
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 18:04
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Originally Posted by cyclic35
Exceptional progress indeed....
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To breathe or not to breathe that is the question..

F-35A Pilots Report Five More Hypoxia-Like Episodes | Defense content from Aviation Week

"“I think there might be something based on how the machine and the human are interacting that’s altering the breathing,” Bishop said."

Interesting article..
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