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On the bright side, the new jobs for kiwi strike pilots a rolling in daily. (Of course adding to the Govts 'brain drain')
4 to F111s in Oz
3 to RAF, F3s and Jag
1 to the FAA
.....and the fax is just warming up!
So long NZ, its been great...thanks for all the fish!
4 to F111s in Oz
3 to RAF, F3s and Jag
1 to the FAA
.....and the fax is just warming up!
So long NZ, its been great...thanks for all the fish!
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Samuel, you speak the truth! Let us never forget that it was Labour who refused Bomber Command a campaign medal after WW2, so they are unlikely to bend their PC rules and favour white Old Commonwealth nations who gave their all for us before Tony and his cronies were born.
We visited NZ in 96 and I spent a bit of time contemplating the In Memoriam boards in the WCS school chapel. Even though the casualties were read out each Sunday while I was at school, I was struck by how many of them were aircrew - probably in Bomber Command.
We visited NZ in 96 and I spent a bit of time contemplating the In Memoriam boards in the WCS school chapel. Even though the casualties were read out each Sunday while I was at school, I was struck by how many of them were aircrew - probably in Bomber Command.
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Beware the F111 Fishie, the RAAF have lost a few, including at least three in NZ, one of which lost both engines on take-off at OH a few years ago (it was water ingestion). The aircraft ended up off the end of 09, sans crew capsule which the pilot had wisely initiated.Said capsule came down very close to now burning heap of carbon fibre and aluminium and crash crew drove a vehicle between the capsule and the wreck.This was of course a very wise move, much appreciated by the Aussie's who later shouted the beers, but not by the MTO who's budget was blown by the repaint. He got quite upset until leaned on!
There was a sequel, (there always is!)in that the RAAF Court of Inquiry, having completed their work, were boarding their C130 to go home, but couldn't find the Duty Storeman to release the duty free stuff from the Bond Store.C130 Captain wanders over to the Crash Crew and explains the problem. "No worries Sir, we have a key" wherupon a large crowbar was produced, duty free duly freed, and happy skippies sent on their way.
There was a sequel, (there always is!)in that the RAAF Court of Inquiry, having completed their work, were boarding their C130 to go home, but couldn't find the Duty Storeman to release the duty free stuff from the Bond Store.C130 Captain wanders over to the Crash Crew and explains the problem. "No worries Sir, we have a key" wherupon a large crowbar was produced, duty free duly freed, and happy skippies sent on their way.
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At the End of Force P/U I trust another piano will bite the dust? As a 3 tour 75Sqn pilot I would be delighted to make a financial contribution to it (You out there Oz?). Also, I would be delighted to provide the pike on which to stick the head of That Bitch (if only in effigy)
Ake Ake Kia Kaha.
Ake Ake Kia Kaha.
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total of 4 now to the F3...
.....if its just the piano, the pmc will be happy!
fighting 14th unofficial farewell dinner this thursday (as non of us will be here for the final curtain in dec)
.....if its just the piano, the pmc will be happy!
fighting 14th unofficial farewell dinner this thursday (as non of us will be here for the final curtain in dec)
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Can you guys keep us up to date with the plans for the end of force do? We're thinking about bringing a few jets over around December for a bit of "mountainous flying training", but it might be nice to have it coincide if possible to pay our respects - has been fantastic working with you guys in the past.
Plus, last time I lucked in on a piano burning at Ohakea it was a fantastic night!
Cheers to all and for those heading to UK instead of Oz, two things:
1) Why?
2)Godspeed, fly safe....
Plus, last time I lucked in on a piano burning at Ohakea it was a fantastic night!
Cheers to all and for those heading to UK instead of Oz, two things:
1) Why?
2)Godspeed, fly safe....
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Endex function (formal messkit type)13 December 01.
Massive get axed and smash the bar up function 14-15 December. (from the CO75's mouth two minutes ago so guess thats as accurate as your going to get).
Cribble: Oz reading loud and clear-he will get back to you.
Swingwing- Hopefully see you before the end of the year in shiney new RAAF uniform. Going to have to get used to sunshine, 76%more pay, 50% more leave and a big f-off jet but think I will cope!!!!!
How many frames you guys bringing??
Massive get axed and smash the bar up function 14-15 December. (from the CO75's mouth two minutes ago so guess thats as accurate as your going to get).
Cribble: Oz reading loud and clear-he will get back to you.
Swingwing- Hopefully see you before the end of the year in shiney new RAAF uniform. Going to have to get used to sunshine, 76%more pay, 50% more leave and a big f-off jet but think I will cope!!!!!
How many frames you guys bringing??
To Kmagyoyo et al,
firstly, may I say that the RNZAF's loss is the RAAF's gain and we look forward to getting you guys into the Squadrons.
I can only imagine the anger you guys must be experiencing as you watch a professional and proud outfit get screwed due to the flawed logic of a bunch of short-sighted, tree hugging hippies, led by a woman with a face like a bucket full of bashed crabs. Was at Ohakea in April - I still didn't think that the PM was going to go through with it.
Politics aside, don't be disappointed by 81WGs decision not to allow you onto the Hornet... As Swingwing and I will attest, there's nothing quite as sweet as M1.2/750KIAS on the deck, watching the twin tailed tupperware jet disappear into the distance and hearing his soulfull call of "Cobra 2 Bingo, tracking for homeplate". It's then that you realise you've still got 15000lbs of fuel so you turn around and bomb the bastard on his landing roll!!
Take it easy and see you all at the bar (in Amberley?!?)
[ 27 August 2001: Message edited by: Booger ]
firstly, may I say that the RNZAF's loss is the RAAF's gain and we look forward to getting you guys into the Squadrons.
I can only imagine the anger you guys must be experiencing as you watch a professional and proud outfit get screwed due to the flawed logic of a bunch of short-sighted, tree hugging hippies, led by a woman with a face like a bucket full of bashed crabs. Was at Ohakea in April - I still didn't think that the PM was going to go through with it.
Politics aside, don't be disappointed by 81WGs decision not to allow you onto the Hornet... As Swingwing and I will attest, there's nothing quite as sweet as M1.2/750KIAS on the deck, watching the twin tailed tupperware jet disappear into the distance and hearing his soulfull call of "Cobra 2 Bingo, tracking for homeplate". It's then that you realise you've still got 15000lbs of fuel so you turn around and bomb the bastard on his landing roll!!
Take it easy and see you all at the bar (in Amberley?!?)
[ 27 August 2001: Message edited by: Booger ]
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Quick update on where the ACF is ending up (if anyone really cares anyway!!)
4 to F111 (that's fairly much all the RAAF will get)
5 to Jaguar
1 to Harrier GR7
3 to F3
1 to Sea Harrier
A couple more of the more junior guys are seriously looking at going thru the TWU at Valley.
4 to F111 (that's fairly much all the RAAF will get)
5 to Jaguar
1 to Harrier GR7
3 to F3
1 to Sea Harrier
A couple more of the more junior guys are seriously looking at going thru the TWU at Valley.
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Had a great night in Oz with the sqn
But have you thought about cooking food in an oven instead of everything tasting of soil!
What about the boyz on 5 have they survived this, and is there any truth in the rumour the project is back on?
But have you thought about cooking food in an oven instead of everything tasting of soil!
What about the boyz on 5 have they survived this, and is there any truth in the rumour the project is back on?
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She's penciled in for a Herc conversion with 40 Sqn mid next year.
One of only 2 non-QFI knucks staying here... everyone else is seeing the light and departing the land of the long white cloud.
One of only 2 non-QFI knucks staying here... everyone else is seeing the light and departing the land of the long white cloud.
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Don't want to add too negative a note to this whole Kiwi exodus to RAAF and RAF thing but would like to make the observation that our posters in Canberra are frothing at the mouth about having some Kiwis instantly solve their 'fighter pilot problem' by jumping ship to join us. I don't think it will work and it has the potential to **** many of us loyal RAAF types off.
The organisation is not undermanned for pilots it just doesn't have the right type of experienced pilots in fighters, transport and maritime. In fact fighters are much better off than transport and maritime. The organisation has never made a valid effort to hold onto its experienced people prefering to train it's way through the problem (for which you need QFIs and they are in pretty short supply right now). Now we hear all sorts of rumours of Kiwis being fast tracked ahead of our guys and even rumours of our recent graduates being put in holding patterns to get the Kiwis in the door ahead of them. One unbelievable rumour has a RAAF pilots course 'scrubee' getting a shot at fighters because he went to the RNZAF, graduated got 339s and is now coming back !
We currently have a solid crop of good, motivated transport and maritme people who would like a shot at fighters but they're on hold (and unlikely to get one) because we are recuiting laterally. Having taught advanced pilot training in three different countries, to eight different nationalitites, on four diffrent types over 12 years my observations are that the standard required by our people to have a shot at fast jet is dramattically different (won't say better (maybe I will in regard to the USAF))to the other organisations.
So..... Sorry Kiwis that you lost your Air Force but be aware that taking slots from good people here is bound to cause some bad blood. Not that it's your fault the blame lies with short sighted people elsewhere.
The organisation is not undermanned for pilots it just doesn't have the right type of experienced pilots in fighters, transport and maritime. In fact fighters are much better off than transport and maritime. The organisation has never made a valid effort to hold onto its experienced people prefering to train it's way through the problem (for which you need QFIs and they are in pretty short supply right now). Now we hear all sorts of rumours of Kiwis being fast tracked ahead of our guys and even rumours of our recent graduates being put in holding patterns to get the Kiwis in the door ahead of them. One unbelievable rumour has a RAAF pilots course 'scrubee' getting a shot at fighters because he went to the RNZAF, graduated got 339s and is now coming back !
We currently have a solid crop of good, motivated transport and maritme people who would like a shot at fighters but they're on hold (and unlikely to get one) because we are recuiting laterally. Having taught advanced pilot training in three different countries, to eight different nationalitites, on four diffrent types over 12 years my observations are that the standard required by our people to have a shot at fast jet is dramattically different (won't say better (maybe I will in regard to the USAF))to the other organisations.
So..... Sorry Kiwis that you lost your Air Force but be aware that taking slots from good people here is bound to cause some bad blood. Not that it's your fault the blame lies with short sighted people elsewhere.
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Are you seriously suggesting the influx of four(4) F111 pilots from the RNZAF, (none, repeat, none to F18's) has causesd a problem?
I think you are off your target.
I think you are off your target.
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Im afraid to say the RAAF has made a shambles of attempting recruit here anyway. As detailed above you can expect 4 to the Pig and 1 to the CT4....(woop-de-do).....
....your people have planned interviews and physc testing, performance appraisals and flying reports....offering the might of the $AUS and a reduction in rank as incentives.
The RAF have simply looked at kiwi exchange pilots and said "great we'll have more of them please" and offered promotions and the GBP.....and Eurofighter in 3-5
Dogsbollox dont fret dear chap.....ex-pig boy dont lose sleep over losing you sheepskin seat..... the gaffa wont ring to the larconic tones of kiwis.
To the rest that have supported us and visit ohakea to drink our beer (and monster the ladies)....thanks for the invite! you are getting 4 great lads in jan. enjoy.
[ 27 August 2001: Message edited by: mrfish ]
....your people have planned interviews and physc testing, performance appraisals and flying reports....offering the might of the $AUS and a reduction in rank as incentives.
The RAF have simply looked at kiwi exchange pilots and said "great we'll have more of them please" and offered promotions and the GBP.....and Eurofighter in 3-5
Dogsbollox dont fret dear chap.....ex-pig boy dont lose sleep over losing you sheepskin seat..... the gaffa wont ring to the larconic tones of kiwis.
To the rest that have supported us and visit ohakea to drink our beer (and monster the ladies)....thanks for the invite! you are getting 4 great lads in jan. enjoy.
[ 27 August 2001: Message edited by: mrfish ]