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Old 9th Jan 2013, 02:55   #2341 (permalink)
 
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GU,

You asked .....

"By the way, does anyone know what kind of questions they
ask at OSB? Even the generic ones would be great, because so far in this thread
(unless I've missed it) they say prepare for OSB, but I don't know the
questions, so how can I prepare for questions I don't know right?

Just put yourself in the board's shoes. They have to work out what risk each candidate presents. Your FSP result is one important link in that decision making matrix. You NEED to do as well as you possibly can at the FSP. The rest is probably all about your personal qualities and why you're asking to become a pilot with Defence. Think about what's driving you.

Imagine you are about to decide to employ someone who is going to cost you about $4M to train before you even get any production out of them. By the way it's probably about $10M for a fast jet pilot. What questions would you ask and how would you decide whether the risk is appropriate or not. It's not rocket science.

You'll probably never be fully prepared for the OSB. Accept that. There will likely be questions you can't answer. However if you are motivated correctly you will easily be able to answer most questions because you're naturally interested in the subject. Don't kid yourself. Unless your absolutely and relentlessly driven about the opportunity, you probably won't be successful.

All the pilots I know remain completely addicted to aircraft and aviation, whether they're in the civilian industry like me or still in the military side of things. It's a bug and you'll know if you've got it or not because you just can't get rid of it.
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Old 9th Jan 2013, 06:06   #2342 (permalink)
 
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You saying I've got bugs?
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Old 9th Jan 2013, 20:34   #2343 (permalink)
 
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CSD,
You know me better than you think.........
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Old 10th Jan 2013, 13:04   #2344 (permalink)
 
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Winged Wombat is correct about the FJ pilots. It is a major focus, 2FTS is all about providing 79SQN a quality product and they need more than we can provide. As such the training is all about extending your flying skills and extending you as an individual. To achieve this the curriculum is a challenging and ever evolving beast.

What do we need of the trainee... dedication, hard work, co-operation, guts, grit and determination, respect and over all integrity mixed in with ability and capacity. Not just for flight screening but all of the way until Wings and beyond.

A better product for 79SQN has other benefits for the rest of the customers. Those who don't make it to FJ's for what ever reason will be well positioned to flow on to the other types who are facing ever challenging operational tasking. They also require highly skilled and dedicated individuals.

Those who where well rehearsed to pass flight screening but lack some or all of the above criteria, will be weeded out at some stage.

My two cents. Good luck.

MMSOBGYTAST

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Old 17th Jan 2013, 01:59   #2345 (permalink)
 
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A couple of questions for the floor:

In relation to an Army SSO Pilot, would they do the Aviation Medical Cse before or during Basic Flying Training? Is this done at Tamworth or RAAF Base Edinburgh?

Secondly, do Army Pilots attend Combat Survival Training at RAAF Townsville, or does the Army run its own course elsewhere?
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Old 17th Jan 2013, 08:07   #2346 (permalink)
 
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would they do the Aviation Medical Cse before or during Basic Flying Training?
During
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Is this done at Tamworth or RAAF Base Edinburgh?
Edinburgh
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do Army Pilots attend Combat Survival Training at RAAF Townsville, or does the Army run its own course elsewhere?
Not 100% sure, however I think Army does it own.

Does any of this matter?
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Old 17th Jan 2013, 09:44   #2347 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for your reply CSD, just preparing for my Assessment Day, maybe I was being somewhat pedantic....
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Old 17th Jan 2013, 10:31   #2348 (permalink)
 
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Hi, Until now are there any announcement about pilot selection after new year??
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Old 19th Jan 2013, 22:19   #2349 (permalink)
 
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RE AVMED. Believe you'll find it's actually done after course in Edinburgh. BFTS wont be sending you to Adelaide in the middle of course. You do a basic AVMED course at BFTS over 2 days as well.

RE Combat Survival. That is all run by the RAAF out of Townsville. Tri service aircrew all do the same course.
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Old 20th Jan 2013, 01:55   #2350 (permalink)
 
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BFTS wont be sending you to Adelaide in the middle of course.
Yep, good call. Sorry for the duff gen on that one
These days AVMED is done after BFTS but before the next phase (2FTS or Oakey). In the good ol' days they waited after course, but nowadays it's a method of marking time while 2FTS/Oakey catch up with what BFTS has sent them.
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Old 21st Jan 2013, 03:42   #2351 (permalink)
 
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Thank you for the clarification.
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 03:49   #2352 (permalink)
 
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Skymong,

Nice to see you trying hard to prepare. It will pay off in the long run.

Just don't get too hung up on nibbly details.
Have a solid foundation understanding of the basic training pipe line.
Know what an SSO is and how that particular stream is used by Army.
Avoid learning the number of rivets between spars 3 and 4 on the CT4.
Leave that to the instructors... That kind of in-depth prep at the application stage will waste a lot of your valuable time and energy.
I doubt that you'll be asked about Avmed to that degree.

Remember; why you're applying is the key.

WW
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 03:54   #2353 (permalink)
 
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TSRABECOMING,

I would expect the ADF to be screening consistently.
I doubt the new year makes much difference to them.
Get your application in.!
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 12:15   #2354 (permalink)
 
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Originally Posted by TSRABECOMING
Hi, Until now are there any announcement about pilot selection after new year??
According to my enlistment coordinator, RAAF intakes are in January and May (can't help with other services sorry!). Does this answer your question?

Cheers

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Old 24th Jan 2013, 06:20   #2355 (permalink)
 
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Hey again guys,

I had my assessment day a month or two ago, and after being classified 3R on the medical, I have just now handed in the medical reports saying I'm practically fine. Does anyone know how long roughly AVMED take to approve the reports? They were for spirometry and ECG if it makes any difference.

Thanks for any help
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Old 24th Jan 2013, 23:25   #2356 (permalink)
 
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Frappe,

It's a good question and not easily answered.
Avmed have to deal with numerous assessments across a wide variety of avmend related issues and their workload is very high.
Couple this with typically low levels of manpower and you can imagine that some assessments could take weeks.
Your best bet is to sit tight for a month and wait to see what happens.
After a month I'd head into the recruitment centre and ask some questions. Be gentle though!
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Old 25th Jan 2013, 22:28   #2357 (permalink)
 
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W.W,

Cheers for the response. Haha you're right, I should've known better than to expect an easy answer when it comes to DFR :P No worries though, I'm in no particular rush.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 00:51   #2358 (permalink)
 
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No problems, happy to help.

Have you done any flying? powered, Gliding etc?
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 03:16   #2359 (permalink)
 
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I've done 1 hour in a glider and 1 in a simulator, and plan on doing the Red Baron ADF cram course as soon as I can save up the funds.

That reminds me, do the guys at FSP count simulator hours as flying experience?
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 04:41   #2360 (permalink)
 
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G'day Guys,

"Long time reader first time poster"

I have a quick question for you guys. I sat flight screening in 2009 and i achieved an 8/9. On my board i got knocked back as they "want to see me study" and that i have "huge potential" since then I've complete TAFE and a Uni course in aviation. They gave a guy an offer with a 3/9 as he had a 100 UAI at the time. I have always wanted to be a RAAF pilot and the desire is something i just cant shake, as I'm sure is common amongst all of you. I wondering what to do, they said back then, all i had to do is sit the board but i rang up the other day and told me that i have to do the whole lot again which i really don't want to do since i was in the top band and i know they want to see improvement.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.
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