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Old 18th Oct 2007, 13:49   #1 (permalink)
 
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First the Vulcan, but what next?

If money and red-tape were no object, what in your opinion would be next?

To start the ball rolling, I would like to nominate a TSR 2 or a Mosquito.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 13:56   #2 (permalink)
 
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There can be no reason why the MoD or CAA shouldn't allow Lightning should fly again. If we can allow a bomber in the air, why not a fighter??
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 13:56   #3 (permalink)
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Agreed, the Mosquito, a real MRCA if ever there was one. Still staggering that during a period of massive development of engines and airframes, the Mossie held the speed record for quite a bit of WW2.

A private development that the War Office had turned down, but de Havilland continued with regardless. How would the war have changed if de Havilland had not had the guts to continue?

There's at least one in the museum at Salisbury Hall that could fly again. The very first Mossie is there, and I think that's unique, as the only prototype of a WW2 aircraft still preserved.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:03   #4 (permalink)
 
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It has absolutely got to be a Lightning.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:05   #5 (permalink)
 
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Got to be a Buccaneer and a Hunter
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:06   #6 (permalink)
 
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Got to be a Lightning.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:06   #7 (permalink)
 
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What's happening with HHA's Bucc?
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:07   #8 (permalink)
 
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It is so tempting to add another vote for the TSR2 but I really think that the Frightning deserves a place back in the UK skies.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:09   #9 (permalink)
 
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Victor for me - and a Lightning of course!
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:11   #10 (permalink)
 
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I'd like another Avro.
Please may I have a York?
Be lucky
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If not what about the fast taxy Victor, got to be close,
http://www.yorkshireairmuseum.co.uk/...info.asp?id=35

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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:14   #11 (permalink)
 
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Latest gen on the HHA Bucc

http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/hangar/2006/bucc/bucc.htm

RAF Dogger Bank will not do much for the chance of English Electric's finest ever flying back in the UK .
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:19   #12 (permalink)
 
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There can be no reason why the MoD or CAA shouldn't allow Lightning should fly again.
Nothing to do with MoD.

CAA won't ever let a civvie Lightning fly in UK....fullstop.

Vulcan is flying because BAe agreed to DA, they flatly refuse to do so for a Lightning. There's also a bigs spares issue with a potential Lightning operation anyway, just about all, if not all lifed available spares are held by Thunder City in SA, although I believe AALO out in the USA has anything else left.

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There's at least one in the museum at Salisbury Hall that could fly again.
Yes, and it was surveyed after the tragic loss of BAe's RR299 with a view to making potentially airworthy, but there was no finance available for any return to flight.
And on that subject, BAe have also withdrawn any type DA as well so this particular Mossie is the only candiate for a UK flying example. So, unless someone wants to donate a few million for it's restoration and probably subsequent donation to BBMF for operation......it ain't gonna happen.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:25   #13 (permalink)
 
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Has to be the other V at Brunty, given no money constraints.
Have to admit a rather tall order given the airframe, cracked conways and spares issues but has to be the most likely of unrealistic options. TSR2 no way.
Most likely of would be a Bucc.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:35   #14 (permalink)
 
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lightning without question

then buc

if money were really no option and CAA and BAe etc didnt cause concerns they it would have to be victor and the valiant at cosford, but lets be honest thats never going to happen.

If were all honest with the little troubles along 558s path its unlikely any project of this magnitude is likely to happen again.

anyone got anything newer on HHAs Buc?

Wonder why the lightning is such a no go in this country?
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:42   #15 (permalink)
 
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Money no object?

Civil-Concorde

Military-Lightning


I thougth the Lightning wasn't allowed by the CAA because there is no available manufacturer support. Maybe someone can fill me in on that one. We have several that are a 'sticks-pull' away from being airborne.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:43   #16 (permalink)
 
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Well donehas to be lightning and Concorde
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:46   #17 (permalink)
 
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what about the rest of the V Force? after all we have a Battle of Britain flight from our History.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:52   #18 (permalink)
 
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Sorry chaps but you're all wrong. It has to be the Nimrod MR4A.

Best wishes

Toodle pip!
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 14:56   #19 (permalink)
 
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I thougth the Lightning wasn't allowed by the CAA because there is no available manufacturer support. Maybe someone can fill me in on that one. We have several that are a 'sticks-pull' away from being airborne.
See my post#12 above.

Although 2 x F.6's and a T.5 are a sticks-pull away in that they 'work' as fast taxi airframes, they havebeen maintained IIRC with that purpose, so the paperwork as needed by the CAA as 'flyers' isn't there.
Effectively they would have to undergo the same as XH558 with lifed papertrail components be refitted.........and there's your problem.

The AALO at Stennis may get the ex-Boscombe T.5 in the air one day, but otherwise, Thunder City in SA will likely remain the only place you'll see a flying Lightning.
On that I see IB is getting his hand in with some more Lightning flying again recently out there, to be seen on a BBC documentary about the earth this month sometime.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 15:00   #20 (permalink)
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Simple tastes and I don't know why exactly, but I would love to see a real Typhoon, invasion stripes, cannon and all....
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