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Old 2nd May 2017, 17:15   #21 (permalink)
 
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Last time I looked he was a Marshal of the Royal Air Force.
Blacksheep, the post you quoted is from 2007.

The Accident Summary is here: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...00_29jun94.pdf
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Background Noise, that is NOT the full Aircraft Incident Report, it is some watered-down version.

Rather like one of those edited-for-kids versions of original movies which sometimes appear on TV.
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I know. It is the summary, as I said.
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Funny this thread appeared just now. A couple of days ago, I was asking whether a report was published and what went wrong with landing.

Thanks for the link gents.
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It was a bit of an horrendous arrival, having refreshed my memory from that report.

HRH in a hurry.
HRH wants to drive.
Noticeable tailwind, short runway, unstabilised/nimble approach, unskilled HP.

What could possibly go wrong??
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And the original reason for the visit was for HRH to receive a ceremonial cask of Laphroaig:

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On Wednesday the 29th of June 1994 HRH Prince Charles, accompanied by his private secretary Richard Aylard and detective Collin Tinning, paid an official visit to Laphroaig. This visit was well documented at the time but the columns were not so much filled with details of this visit as his unfortunate aeroplane crash. Charles overshot the runway attempting to land his plane on tricky windy Islay.

The plane was so badly damaged that he was unable to fly back home to Highgrove. As a result, the 20 minute flying visit turned into a two-and-a half hour stay, much to the delight of at the time distillery manager, Iain Henderson. When a new aeroplane eventually arrived, the Prince left in somewhat of a hurry.

Later that evening the “confession interview” on BBC with David Dimbleby was to be broadcasted, and the Prince was anxious to see it.

On his visit to the distillery, the Prince was invited to bung two casks of Laphroaig. The two casks were given to him, which he kindly donated to two charity funds of his choice.

One was a 1978 cask, which was bottled as a 15-year old and auctioned for the Cancer Relief Macmillan Fund.

The 1983 cask was to be matured for a further five years for his 50th birthday, also bottled as a 15-year old, and was given in 1999 to an appeal for the Erskine Hospital for ex-servicemen in Dumbarton.

Most of these 1983 bottles were sold through Loch Fyne whiskies.

The Prince personally signed 15 of the 270 bottles with his name, simply: “Charles”. These bottles were auctioned and some of them for as much as 29.000 pounds. For his personal consumption, the Prince received a commemorative miniature cask.

Since the Prince’s visit to Laphroaig, the distillery does a special bottling for Highgrove with its own label, which can be bought by visitors in the Highgrove shop on his Gloucestershire estate. These bottlings are either standard 10 or 15-years old.

In 1994 the distillery was also granted a Royal Warrant, for which occasion a special 10-year old Laphroaig was bottled, called “Royal Warrant”.
More, and pictures of the distillery visit here:

laphroaig collector
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Sorry, but given the inexperience of the HP, the Captain should have had the guts to say no. Whilst I was captain of a royal flight, HRH asked to sit in the left seat to which I declined and suggested that if HRH wanted to fly the aircraft I would offer to arrange a 'Senior Officers Course' for him.

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Sorry, but given the inexperience of the HP, the Captain should have had the guts to say no.
I was about to type something along the lines of 'easy for you to say', and then I carried on reading...

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Whilst I was captain of a royal flight, HRH asked to sit in the left seat to which I declined and suggested that if HRH wanted to fly the aircraft I would over to arrange a 'Senior Officers Course' for him.
Fair dos.
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For all those who've used this as an anti-monarchy high horse, had this been a regular civilian airline flight, the can would have been carried, just as in this case, by the aircraft captain.
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For all those who've used this as an anti-monarchy high horse, had this been a regular civilian airline flight, the can would have been carried, just as in this case, by the aircraft captain.
What an excellent point. No difference at all in a military officer sitting next to his future King and an airline Captain sitting next to his First Officer.

Aren't we all emotionless humanoids everyday.

Roll on AI, then we won't have to bother with this inconvenient human factors cr@p anymore.
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For all those who've used this as an anti-monarchy high horse, had this been a regular civilian airline flight, the can would have been carried, just as in this case, by the aircraft captain.
There's no comparison.

How many civvies can demand to land the aircraft themselves to pick up a bottle of whiskey
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Drift, but Sharpend started it M'Lud.

I remember a trip to Wegberg Strip to deliver a one star to his meeting. The pilot was a first tourist, regarded by his peers as somewhat slow and boring- not gung ho enough. The airship returned to the aircraft, the weather having worsened somewhat, and pushed the pilot to launch. The pilot exercised piloteness in refusal, "I just think we'll give it a short while Sir...". The airship was not having it, all but calling the guy a wimp, and really pressing. At the third go, the pilot said, "Sir, I am the pilot of this aircraft, and we will not depart until I say so, and that won't be at all if the weather doesn't improve." The airship then did his first reasonable thing in the exchange. He STFU! Made my day.

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HRH is not the only Royal co-pilot

Dutch King Willem-Alexander reveals secret flights as co-pilot - BBC News
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That's a bit different.
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Old 17th May 2017, 18:00   #35 (permalink)
 
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I clearly recall this and the general feeling of the public that the PIC had been placed in an impossible position when faced with telling an inexperienced pilot who just happened to be the future king to stay the hell out of the cockpit.

We all know where the plant whisperer is these days, but does anyone know what became of the pilot in the years that followed ?
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Fonsini, your first paragraph is untrue.
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I'd feel rather humbled to be faced by three DFC holders as well as the widow(?) of another.
Mannequins do not do humbled.
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This is fast heading to be the most boring thread ever on PPRuNe.
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Old 19th May 2017, 02:05   #39 (permalink)
 
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Fonsini, your first paragraph is untrue.
Which bit ?
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