Future Carrier (Including Costs)
That is a very big and complex question that would require a lot of careful evaluation against a range of scenarios and risks. I wouldn't jump to a conclusion, in the same way I query those who jump to the conclusion that it should be the carriers.
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OAP is correct - the cuts are coming - May has told her MP's (according to the Times) that more money will found for schools, the NHS & care for the old & sick -and of course Ulster - it has to come from somewhere......... see the informed and not so informed discussion on
http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...e-cuts-10.html
http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...e-cuts-10.html
HMS Queen Elizabeth due to sail on first trials Monday. See UK Defence Journal for more:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-...o-sail-monday/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-...o-sail-monday/
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Apparantly the Cromarty Harbour Port Authority has been advising its regular users to expect the carrier anywhen after Monday. Presumably this will be after the yard has signed it off but before the air wing embarks - although the Merlins have allready been to the Moray Firth for a recce.
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My mariner B-i-L is of the opinion that she might come out tonight? 2 more tugs have arrived, low water is 21:48, the Turnhouse TAF has the wind westerly at 8 kts this evening and bridge traffic should be light (the bridges will be closed when she goes under).
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Webcams covering the new Queensferry bridge Photo, Video and Webcam Gallery | Queensferry Crossing | Forth Bridges. Should give some views of the QE when she comes out.
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Time to 'suck back in the holdback' (before catapulting in an A4G/S2E-G it has been said) for CVF.
UK's largest warship sets sail 26 Jun 2017 SKYnews
UK's largest warship sets sail 26 Jun 2017 SKYnews
"...At high tide, she will be guided through a narrow exit in the harbour. This has been widened but still only allows 14 inches either side to spare.
Recent dry weather in the Highlands and Cairngorms has meant less rainfall in the Forth - when she squeezes through the exit, the man at the steering wheel on the bridge - Chief Petty Officer Sticky Vercoe - will only have 50cm beneath the keel and the river bed.
The flight deck will overhand buildings either side. If the wind is too strong she risks bouncing off the harbour walls which could damage her before she's even reached open water. Once clear she will be pulled into the middle of the Forth where she will drop anchor for a few hours.
At low tide, she will make her approach towards the three Forth bridges close to midnight, sailing at 3-4 knots; any faster and suction will pull her downwards into the river - an effect known as 'squat'. The first two road bridges can flex by up to three metres in high winds but the third, Brunel's iconic Forth Bridge, poses its own challenge - height.
A radar mast will be hydraulically lowered to make room for the ship to pass underneath. Even so, were a person to stand on the highest point of her, and reach up, they would be able to touch the Forth Bridge as they sailed through. 'It is like driving your car into a car park you go 'oh my god' and dip in your seat. It is exactly the same feeling as that,' said Captain Jerry Kyd, who has previously commanded the UK's last two aircraft carriers HMS Ark Royal and HMS Illustrious.
The whole process could take more than 10 hours...."
UK's largest warship sets sail
Recent dry weather in the Highlands and Cairngorms has meant less rainfall in the Forth - when she squeezes through the exit, the man at the steering wheel on the bridge - Chief Petty Officer Sticky Vercoe - will only have 50cm beneath the keel and the river bed.
The flight deck will overhand buildings either side. If the wind is too strong she risks bouncing off the harbour walls which could damage her before she's even reached open water. Once clear she will be pulled into the middle of the Forth where she will drop anchor for a few hours.
At low tide, she will make her approach towards the three Forth bridges close to midnight, sailing at 3-4 knots; any faster and suction will pull her downwards into the river - an effect known as 'squat'. The first two road bridges can flex by up to three metres in high winds but the third, Brunel's iconic Forth Bridge, poses its own challenge - height.
A radar mast will be hydraulically lowered to make room for the ship to pass underneath. Even so, were a person to stand on the highest point of her, and reach up, they would be able to touch the Forth Bridge as they sailed through. 'It is like driving your car into a car park you go 'oh my god' and dip in your seat. It is exactly the same feeling as that,' said Captain Jerry Kyd, who has previously commanded the UK's last two aircraft carriers HMS Ark Royal and HMS Illustrious.
The whole process could take more than 10 hours...."
UK's largest warship sets sail
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Up close with HMS Queen Elizabeth 26 Jun 2017
"...The ship has been designed from the outset to embark four squadrons of aircraft. Initially, there will be helicopter squadrons and then a single F-35 squadron. It will be well into the 2030s before the UK has enough F-35s to embark two squadrons (of approximately 12-aircraft each). US Marine Corps aircraft are likely to be frequent visitors and may even embark a full squadron at times. The air management organisation (on 2 deck aft), provides each of the four aircraft squadrons with their own spacious offices and mission planning spaces. There is also a large group briefing room/lecture theatre. The movement of aircrew from their accommodation to briefing rooms and on to their aircraft has been carefully designed to be as quick and easy as possible, in contrast to older carriers...." Up close with HMS Queen Elizabeth - Photo tour, June 2017 | Save the Royal Navy
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
US Marine Corps aircraft are likely to be frequent visitors and may even embark a full squadron at times.
IIRC the USMC are planned to deploy a Sqn full time until the UK has sufficient assets to do so.
Although I can't see any USMC squadron boss being overly keen to suspend flight operations because the Brit suits are squabbling over some minor piece of administrivia...
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[QUOTE=SpazSinbad;9812383]Brunel's iconic Forth Bridge, poses its own challenge - height/QUOTE]
May one ask what the hell Brunel is supposed to have had to do with the Forth Bridge?
May one ask what the hell Brunel is supposed to have had to do with the Forth Bridge?
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CVF out & about with three areas of TMS Thermal Metal Spray on centreline:
HMS Queen Elizabeth on its maiden voyage | Daily Mail Online
HMS Queen Elizabeth on its maiden voyage | Daily Mail Online
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There is an angled deck technically.. 13 degrees upwards! On the Ski Jump..
However, no traditional angled deck; as no catapults fitted or designed in sadly.
However, no traditional angled deck; as no catapults fitted or designed in sadly.
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