Future Carrier (Including Costs)
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Market forces at work already - still, a commercial jv should keep costs down.
North Atlantic Drift: BMW M4 goes Top Gun on aircraft carrier | Classic Driver Magazine
North Atlantic Drift: BMW M4 goes Top Gun on aircraft carrier | Classic Driver Magazine
Eliminate the silly, redundant 'forward island' and fix the bow that looks like it already had a collision, install catapults and arresting gear and you'd be onto something.
Something like the USS Forestall.
Something like the USS Forestall.
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Good detail in this artickle: Carrier countdown 30 June 2014 By Tim Robinson
Royal Aeronautical Society | Insight Blog | Carrier countdown
Royal Aeronautical Society | Insight Blog | Carrier countdown
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And another good 'un.
BAE Systems use simulation to refine F-35 and QEC integration - Naval Technology
BAE Systems use simulation to refine F-35 and QEC integration - Naval Technology
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Geez youse UKers are busy lil' beavers as shown in this marvy fillum (mentioned above like).
Time Lapse Float Up and Move of HMS Queen Elizabeth Posted 23 Jul 2014
Time Lapse Float Up and Move of HMS Queen Elizabeth Posted 23 Jul 2014
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Sunk Costs: New Carriers Commit UK To Buy Escorts & F-35Bs, Says 1st Sea Lord 01 Aug 2014 Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.
Sunk Costs: New Carriers Commit UK To Buy Escorts & F-35Bs, Says 1st Sea Lord « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary
"...First Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Staff, Adm. Sir George Zambellas, assured a Washington audience Wednesday that — to paraphrase his guarded Britishisms into American bluntness — it’s too late to cheap out. Building the carriers has already committed British politicians not only to funding their operations, escort vessels, and aircraft, but also to a carrier-centered naval strategy that puts warfighting first and peacetime presence second.
If you don’t buy adequate F-35s, “you build £6.2 billion worth of carriers, you then don’t put a tiny piece of butter on the bread,” Zambellas said to general laughter at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “You’ve got to do it properly. And I’m absolutely certain, with delivery of a credible carrier strike capability, we will see a growth of commitments to F-35s to meet the maximum value the government would want to derive from the strategic assets they have bought and are paying for [already].”...
...“Authority” and “credibility” were the admiral’s mantras throughout his remarks, which were tinged with the usual post-imperial anxiety about Britain’s place in the world. If only one carrier is operational, Zambellas said in one example, it may be in refit when a crisis erupts, “and then your authority sort kind of drains away down the plug hole.” Building the carriers is “a grown-up statement of intent,” he said, the UK’s forthcoming nuclear missile submarines will provide “deterrence [at] absolutely the top end of the game,” and the US and UK needed to operate as one in the Persian Gulf ” so if we have to fight side by side, we Brits don’t let you down.”..."
If you don’t buy adequate F-35s, “you build £6.2 billion worth of carriers, you then don’t put a tiny piece of butter on the bread,” Zambellas said to general laughter at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “You’ve got to do it properly. And I’m absolutely certain, with delivery of a credible carrier strike capability, we will see a growth of commitments to F-35s to meet the maximum value the government would want to derive from the strategic assets they have bought and are paying for [already].”...
...“Authority” and “credibility” were the admiral’s mantras throughout his remarks, which were tinged with the usual post-imperial anxiety about Britain’s place in the world. If only one carrier is operational, Zambellas said in one example, it may be in refit when a crisis erupts, “and then your authority sort kind of drains away down the plug hole.” Building the carriers is “a grown-up statement of intent,” he said, the UK’s forthcoming nuclear missile submarines will provide “deterrence [at] absolutely the top end of the game,” and the US and UK needed to operate as one in the Persian Gulf ” so if we have to fight side by side, we Brits don’t let you down.”..."
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Mmm, thinks this reads a bit orf...
Here, fixed it...
First thoughts....
Okay, I'll be nice and go for this one 
and the US and UK needed to operate as one in the Persian Gulf ” so if we have to fight side by side, we Brits don’t let you down.”
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and the US and UK needed to operate as one in the Persian Gulf ” so if we have to fight side by side, You don’t let us down.”
and the US and UK needed to operate as one in the Persian Gulf ” so if we have to fight side by side, we don’t let each other down.”
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HMS Queen Elizabeth: How will she be used? Published on Jul 4, 2014 defenceheadquarters
"What is HMS Queen Elizabeth going to be used for? How will she work? Find out here."
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PM just anounced that we are bringing PoW into service (i.e. keeping it!) so we can always have one in service.
Defence cuts risk Britain's Nato standing.
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From The PM
"today I can announce that the second carrier – HMS Prince of Wales – will also be brought into service. This will ensure that will always have one carrier available, 100% of the time"
On the face of it good news, then you realise that we are already commited to pay for it!
UK PLC will not start spending more money untill it's built and in use . Effectively he has given us an 8 year post dated cheque and probably a differant goverment an opportunity to change its mind when this summit has been completely forgotten about.
DC - Taking spin to a differant level.
"today I can announce that the second carrier – HMS Prince of Wales – will also be brought into service. This will ensure that will always have one carrier available, 100% of the time"
On the face of it good news, then you realise that we are already commited to pay for it!
UK PLC will not start spending more money untill it's built and in use . Effectively he has given us an 8 year post dated cheque and probably a differant goverment an opportunity to change its mind when this summit has been completely forgotten about.
DC - Taking spin to a differant level.
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Maybe they'll introduce a revolutionary two ships-one crew policy
Might upset the ladies (said in terms as loose as their virtue) of Pompy though. All those Jolly Jack Tars staying at sea rather than choosing them as a last resort means less chance of 'accidental' offspring, leading to a shotgun marriage and free MQ.
Said very much in jest my Senior Service chums, though some of the latter may be familiar.
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He doesn't mean two ships at a time. He means mothball, refit, commission cycles, so one ship working, with one is mothballs / refit. Not sure that is much more expensive than one only. (A bit of course but not double)
