Happy St George's Day

[cattletruck]

Regardless of our modern ways of giving those who runeth away from the battlefield the right to heard, Happy St George's Day to all!

[mr fish]

England oh England a country so great
a land so fair and so true
there'll never be any colours like
the red, the white and the blue.


ANGELIC UPSTARTS....ENGLAND


c 1981

[melmothtw]

England oh England a country so great
a land so fair and so true

there'll never be any colours like
the red, the white and the
blue.


ANGELIC UPSTARTS....ENGLAND


c 1981

where does the blue come from?


Happy St George's Day, my English PPruner friends.

[Lima Juliet]

After a little more research it appears that St Edmund is the true patron saint of England but those nasty Normans changed it 5-600 years ago

More info here... Saint Edmund for England

[Haraka]

Code:

The (Scottish) blue  Saltire is one of the key components of the Union Flag

For those who cannot distinguish between "British" and "English" (or whose appreciation of our language and National Heritage is too lackadaisical to understand the difference ...)

[melmothtw]

Code:
The (Scottish) blue Saltire is one of the key components of the Union Flag

If that's in response to my query Haraka, it still doesn't answer where the blue fits in with the English (not British, you'll note) flag/sense of identity.

Anyhow, I'm not too fussed to be honest - was just being facetious.

As I said, happy St George's Day one and all.

Edited to add: It seems we're on the same page this time Haraka, and that you're responding to an earlier post...I think.

[Gemini Twin]

"I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot:
Follow your spirit, and upon this charge
Cry 'God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'"


Happy St Georges Day

[Haraka]

Melmothtw,

I totally take your point , re-reading your original quote -bloody English cheek!

As a Cornish man I never saw any incorporation of our white cross on a black background either.

[melmothtw]

Yes, as a Welshman the transposition of English/British is a minor source of irritation (for the Cornish as well, I presume), but will let that ride on St George's day.

[Haraka]

Agreed.
It's their day after all .....

[MOSTAFA]

Cornishmen 'Know the reason why' nice touch to see 'Baner Peran' on the Royal Barge though.

"Me a le gans Dew Ollgallojak del vedhaf len ha perthy omryans gwyr dhe hy braster an vyternes elisabet, hy Erys ha Sewyoryon, herwyth an laha. Ytho Dew re'm gweressa."

Proud to have served St George most of my life.

[Wensleydale]

"As a Cornish man I never saw any incorporation of our white cross on a black background either."


Nor the French with white cross on white background!

[Tankertrashnav]

I see that the EU has now recognised "The Cornish" as a minority group. Which prompts the question - who are the Cornish?

I was born in Surrey, but live in Cornwall. I can trace my Cornish ancestry back to the 16th Century on my mother's side, but on my father's side it is all Irish. So what am I - English?, Cornish?, Irish?

The fact is most British people (Cornish included) are mongrels, and all this spurious national or regional "pride" is entirely down to accident of birth. Flags are ok as a bit of fun, but once we start taking them seriously we are part way down the road followed by totalitarian states.

[melmothtw]

Which prompts the question - who are the Cornish?

Up until relatively recently, the Cornish were known as the West Welsh. Welcome to the tribe Tankertrashnav.

[Roland Pulfrew]

Cornish were known as the West Welsh

Geography and the compass not being a Welsh strong point I presume

[melmothtw]

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Cornish were known as the West Welsh
Geography and the compass not being a Welsh strong point I presume

That would be true Roland, other than the fact that it was the English that called them that.

[Molemot]

My father was a Devon man; he always said that Devon was a county with Cornwall to the West....and England to the east!

[Roland Pulfrew]

Well there you go Mel, I've never heard that before. Every day is a school day. All my time living in Cornwall obviously wasted. I blame St Austell Ale and Newquay Steam!!

[Hangarshuffle]

Pretty low key affair really, and soon gone.

Saw a taxi go past with some made in China St G. flags flying on it. That was it.
Flying the St G. flag has the look of the nutter about it, I'm afraid to say.
Must be my age and demo-graph bolloxs and social standing and upbringing and background and service history..but I now nearly always think people who bang on about ******* flags and flag days and fly little flags are nutters....

[smujsmith]

What a shame that Hangarshuffle seems to have mixed up a celebration of an English national day with support for extreme political thinking. 23rd of April has no political connotation, and, the ships he sailed in all flew an ensign respected worldwide. Have your rant by all means mate, but please, don't decry those who still have some belief in our country.

Posted 23 Jan 2013;

"I'll start of then. I never took any sort of oath of allegiance to the crown or the UK people as a rating. In the RN, even the national anthem is never sung, ever. Its hard to feel any sort of real loyalty, in some ways other than to your own branch, shipmates or indeed the RN at times. Yet we were constantly used to represent GB, and do her bidding.
So no - I never felt as sense of allegiance to the UK, and yes, I think things have moved on to the extent in the world that control seems to be slipping away from sovereign nations own making."

Your own words Hangarshuffle, and, you are fully entitled to your opinion, but don't tell me that I'm not entitled to mine. However you spent 23 April, I hope you had a good day.

Smudge