Ukraine calling for UN intervention
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
N2erk, maybe you should write to the Kremlin press spokesman and tell him to stick to the agreed line.......
Kremlin Spokesman Admits Troops Stationed At Ukraine Border
Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov has confirmed that Russia does have troops near the Ukrainian border and that some of those forces are stationed there "on a permanent basis."
Peskov said additional forces are in the area along Russia's border with Ukraine but only "as reinforcement aganst the background of what is going on in Ukraine."..........
Kremlin Spokesman Admits Troops Stationed At Ukraine Border
Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov has confirmed that Russia does have troops near the Ukrainian border and that some of those forces are stationed there "on a permanent basis."
Peskov said additional forces are in the area along Russia's border with Ukraine but only "as reinforcement aganst the background of what is going on in Ukraine."..........
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While some western countries may disobey Washington on occasion when it comes down to it they obey their masters. Many of our western nations are simply puppet states.
Luckily we now have the rise of Russia, China and India. Hopefully they can bring balance to the world.
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I've tried ORAC, but they dont return my calls- maybe its cause I call collect. Seriously, if you watched the NBC film report they did confirm helos at a base and some trucks, but no tanks or other heavy equipment close to the border, as Youtube and MSM were reporting at the time. It was a good reality check and it was on US MSM. If you have a problem with the article, please contact Mr Maceda or NBC news.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Ukraine Says Russia Preparing Grounds for Invasion
Ukraine forces accuse Russia of staging shooting
Ukraine Separatists Plead for Putin’s Help After Deadly Gunfight
......In a statement to TIME, the self-proclaimed mayor of the town of Slavyansk, the separatist stronghold in eastern Ukraine, said he was imposing a citywide curfew and sending more of his militants to patrol the streets after the violence. “Last night, at a time of truce and Easter prayer, and in violation of the agreed upon ceasefire, our town was attacked,” the putative mayor, Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, said in the statement transmitted through his spokeswoman on Sunday morning........
“Vladimir Vladimirovich, ours is a small, provincial town,” Ponomaryov said in a public appeal to Putin later in the day. “And fascists are trying to conquer us. They are killing our brothers, carrying out open military actions against the people. We therefore ask that you urgently consider the question of sending a peacekeeping force to protect the civilian population.”.........
Just under 3 weeks until EURES Day....
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The shooting was most likely a classic set up by the Russians. The right wing extremists that are pro Ukrainian are dumb, but not that dumb.
With the Russians poised at the border ready to bring another 100 years of Russian jack boot peace keeping and genocide and rape to the people of Ukraine, they wouldn't chance it.
I think this style of attack was already predicted in one of the threads.
With the Russians poised at the border ready to bring another 100 years of Russian jack boot peace keeping and genocide and rape to the people of Ukraine, they wouldn't chance it.
I think this style of attack was already predicted in one of the threads.
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It appears that Russian reporters do have a backbone after all.
Russian parliament deputy speaker tells aide to ?violently rape? pregnant journalist on live TV
'Run to her and start raping her hard'
It seems that telling one of your aids to go and rape a pregnant collegue is a bit much.
Wonder if he's related to Vlad.
Russian parliament deputy speaker tells aide to ?violently rape? pregnant journalist on live TV
'Run to her and start raping her hard'
A six-month pregnant reporter is being treated for shock after a right-wing politician ordered his aides to 'violently rape her' after she asked an
Wonder if he's related to Vlad.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
First you make them citizens, then you have the right to "protect" them, wherever they live, not just Ukraine, but also the Baltic states. Putin hasn't changed his spots - or his intensions.......
New citizenship shortcut for Russian-speakers of Soviet, Imperial ancestry
President Vladimir Putin has signed into force simpler and faster rules for granting citizenship to people who speak Russian, and have at least one ancestor who was a permanent resident of any state within the borders of the current Russian Federation. The bill on the simplified granting of Russian citizenship becomes valid today Monday, April 21.......
To benefit from the new program, a person must have documented proof that at least one of his or her direct ancestors was a permanent resident of the Soviet Union or the Tsarist Russian Empire who lived on the territory of the current Russian Federation. Another condition is good command of Russian, but a complicated and lengthy exam is replaced with a simpler interview.
While most of the candidates would have to renounce their foreign citizenship to become Russians under the new procedure, exceptions are made in cases when doing this would be legally impossible. The program also can be applied to people without citizenship, which is the case for many ethnic Russians who live in the Baltic states but cannot obtain the citizenship and live under non-citizens status......
New citizenship shortcut for Russian-speakers of Soviet, Imperial ancestry
President Vladimir Putin has signed into force simpler and faster rules for granting citizenship to people who speak Russian, and have at least one ancestor who was a permanent resident of any state within the borders of the current Russian Federation. The bill on the simplified granting of Russian citizenship becomes valid today Monday, April 21.......
To benefit from the new program, a person must have documented proof that at least one of his or her direct ancestors was a permanent resident of the Soviet Union or the Tsarist Russian Empire who lived on the territory of the current Russian Federation. Another condition is good command of Russian, but a complicated and lengthy exam is replaced with a simpler interview.
While most of the candidates would have to renounce their foreign citizenship to become Russians under the new procedure, exceptions are made in cases when doing this would be legally impossible. The program also can be applied to people without citizenship, which is the case for many ethnic Russians who live in the Baltic states but cannot obtain the citizenship and live under non-citizens status......
@rh200
All kidding aside, but I hope you don't want to belittle the gruelties that have been committed by Stalin and his aides back then by comparing them to such individual excesses which are not to be condoned in any way but are individual acts as compared to the mass genocide and atrocities back then.
What do you try to achieve by comparing that?
OK, Russia today is far from a pure Democracy and the trend is not looking really good in that regard. Putin and his subordinates are behaving badly and are actively supporting some dubious leaders and groups (That said, we as the West are not totally innocent in that regard either). By doing so he is harming his own People in the longer run. But this is very far from the Situation back in the dark Ages.
Don't get to carried away in your hatred.
All kidding aside, but I hope you don't want to belittle the gruelties that have been committed by Stalin and his aides back then by comparing them to such individual excesses which are not to be condoned in any way but are individual acts as compared to the mass genocide and atrocities back then.
What do you try to achieve by comparing that?
OK, Russia today is far from a pure Democracy and the trend is not looking really good in that regard. Putin and his subordinates are behaving badly and are actively supporting some dubious leaders and groups (That said, we as the West are not totally innocent in that regard either). By doing so he is harming his own People in the longer run. But this is very far from the Situation back in the dark Ages.
Don't get to carried away in your hatred.
Russian parliament deputy speaker tells aide to ?violently rape? pregnant journalist on live TV
'Run to her and start raping her hard'
It seems that telling one of your aids to go and rape a pregnant collegue is a bit much.
'Run to her and start raping her hard'
It seems that telling one of your aids to go and rape a pregnant collegue is a bit much.
Zhirinovsky ... called for the eviction of all McDonald’s in Russia. Even Putin has told Zhirinovsky to cool it.
Referring to Kiev’s Maidan protests, which ignited a series of events that have pushed Ukraine and Russia to the brink of war, the politician yelled, “You women of the Maidan all have uterine frenzy! Without that uterine frenzy there wouldn’t have been Maidan.”
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... he brought up Ukrainian nationalist Iryna Farion. “You think she hates Russians? She loves them! Uterine frenzy, no lover, no husband present, nothing! She has a beast between her legs! And that fire devil rushes upward through her dumb [expletive] tongue.”
He pushed the aide at her and shouted, “Christ is risen! Truly he is risen! Christ is risen! Truly he is risen!”
Another journalist confronted the ranting politician, telling him that her fellow reporter was pregnant. Zhirinovsky responded by calling her a “damned lesbian.”
“This isn’t a place for pregnant people!” he shouted. ”If you’re pregnant, go home. Better take care of your child!”
Now that I think of it, this gent would fit right in on Capital Hill. He's lost the plot.
He was a Weirdo since he appeared on the political stage back somewhere in the early 90's. He was a through and through Nationalist back then and still is and has his own Party ever since.
Despite Putin now going also somewhat into a Russian Nationalist direction Zhirinovsky is in a whole different league in this regard and ever has been.
Putin is using this as a vehicle for keeping his own power and stance in popular opinion, especially since it became clear he lost the fight against the corrupt local Government structures in Russia.
In contrast, Zhirinovski actually truely believes what he spouts.
Big difference.
henra:
I do recall Touretteski's name being in the papers a lot in the 90's. What I can't reconcile is the random juxtaposition of those rants. Maybe the reporter left out other stuff that would have made the flow seem more coherent, albeit "off the wall."
If not, then the Allman Brothers have a song about Touretteski and the plot:
Can't Lose What You Never Had
I do recall Touretteski's name being in the papers a lot in the 90's. What I can't reconcile is the random juxtaposition of those rants. Maybe the reporter left out other stuff that would have made the flow seem more coherent, albeit "off the wall."
If not, then the Allman Brothers have a song about Touretteski and the plot:
Can't Lose What You Never Had
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Washington Post: A Putin affiliate evokes Hitler. The West should be worried.
Is Andranik Migranyan right?
The head of a think tank associated with Vladimir Putin wrote the following in response to critics who liken the Russian president to Adolf Hitler and what he did so long ago: “One must distinguish between Hitler before 1939 and Hitler after 1939. The thing is that Hitler collected [German] lands. If he had become famous only for uniting without a drop of blood Germany with Austria, Sudetenland and Memel, in fact completing what Bismarck failed to do, and if he had stopped there, then he would have remained a politician of the highest class.”
Migranyan’s comment, published in a Russian newspaper, has received quite a bit of attention, both because of his position and for its chilling content. There is no doubt that Hitler crossed a line in September 1939 when he invaded Poland, finally forcing Britain and France to go to war. (Maybe Migranyan remembers that the Soviet Union also invaded Poland.) Up to then, Hitler had mostly satisfied himself with collecting the lands of German-speaking peoples — Austria, the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia, etc. — although Poland also had a substantial German minority.
If something like this is what Putin has in mind — gathering Russian-speaking people under his rule — then Migranyan seems to be saying: What’s the big deal? What he does not mention, though, is that by 1939 Hitler was already engaged in killing Jews, dissidents, communists, homosexuals and, that year, the mentally and physically feeble. Kristallnacht, a government-sanctioned pogrom, occurred in 1938; the Nuremberg laws, depriving Jews of their civil rights, were promulgated in 1935; and Germany was rapidly re-arming, in violation of its treaty obligations. It was, way before 1939, an outlaw state vigorously engaged in murder.
For anyone, least of all a think-tank director, to overlook this record is frightening. Maybe, though, Migranyan did not overlook it. Maybe he was simply reciting a fact: What Hitler did to his own people disturbed the West but did not stir it to action. Indeed, many argued that Hitler had a point: Germans belonged in Germany. As for the Jews, they were often blamed for their own plight.
You hear similar arguments now about Putin and Russian-speaking peoples: Crimea is Russian. Eastern Ukraine is Russian. Maybe some of the Baltic states are Russian, too. Who knows?
I would never compare anyone to Hitler. He remains in a category of one. And I would not, either, get too carried away about Russian rhetoric at the moment. The denunciation of dissidents as “traitors” may just be the Russian version of Fox News excess of the type we heard in the run-up to the war in Iraq. (Check YouTube to see what I mean.) At the same time, there are contrary signs — the election of Putin critics to this or that office and the distinct lack of Nazi-style rhetoric regarding minorities. Specifically, Putin seems free of anti-Semitism.
Still, what are we to make of Migranyan? He did not write in a vacuum. The Kremlin is stifling dissent. The Russian foreign minister is either lying with abandon or blithely passing lies on — or both. So-called green men, troops with their faces shielded and their identifying insignias missing, have circulated through eastern Ukraine, as they did in Crimea. Ukrainian and some Western intelligence agencies identify them as Russian, even down to providing the names of certain individuals. These are similar to the techniques Hitler used to provoke intervention in neighboring countries. He was forever coming to the rescue of embattled German minorities.
Migranyan and presumably Putin live in a different era. They think the line they must not cross is one that will provoke a truly punishing Western reaction — such as seizing parts of the Baltic states. But they have already crossed a line. The West, including Barack Obama, knows that Putin cannot be trusted. He is a liar — and not a very good one. (He once said no Russian troops went into Crimea but later admitted they had.) He is at heart an autocrat who wants to re-create as much of the old Soviet empire as he can.
The consequences of all this are not yet clear. It is clear, though, that the Russia of Gorbachev and Yeltsin is gone and something new and yet familiar has taken its place. The Obama administration recognizes the new reality and is appropriately dusting off Cold War playbooks. Russia, it seems, may be turning its back on Europe — but not, ominously, on some of its ugly 20th-century history.
Is Andranik Migranyan right?
The head of a think tank associated with Vladimir Putin wrote the following in response to critics who liken the Russian president to Adolf Hitler and what he did so long ago: “One must distinguish between Hitler before 1939 and Hitler after 1939. The thing is that Hitler collected [German] lands. If he had become famous only for uniting without a drop of blood Germany with Austria, Sudetenland and Memel, in fact completing what Bismarck failed to do, and if he had stopped there, then he would have remained a politician of the highest class.”
Migranyan’s comment, published in a Russian newspaper, has received quite a bit of attention, both because of his position and for its chilling content. There is no doubt that Hitler crossed a line in September 1939 when he invaded Poland, finally forcing Britain and France to go to war. (Maybe Migranyan remembers that the Soviet Union also invaded Poland.) Up to then, Hitler had mostly satisfied himself with collecting the lands of German-speaking peoples — Austria, the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia, etc. — although Poland also had a substantial German minority.
If something like this is what Putin has in mind — gathering Russian-speaking people under his rule — then Migranyan seems to be saying: What’s the big deal? What he does not mention, though, is that by 1939 Hitler was already engaged in killing Jews, dissidents, communists, homosexuals and, that year, the mentally and physically feeble. Kristallnacht, a government-sanctioned pogrom, occurred in 1938; the Nuremberg laws, depriving Jews of their civil rights, were promulgated in 1935; and Germany was rapidly re-arming, in violation of its treaty obligations. It was, way before 1939, an outlaw state vigorously engaged in murder.
For anyone, least of all a think-tank director, to overlook this record is frightening. Maybe, though, Migranyan did not overlook it. Maybe he was simply reciting a fact: What Hitler did to his own people disturbed the West but did not stir it to action. Indeed, many argued that Hitler had a point: Germans belonged in Germany. As for the Jews, they were often blamed for their own plight.
You hear similar arguments now about Putin and Russian-speaking peoples: Crimea is Russian. Eastern Ukraine is Russian. Maybe some of the Baltic states are Russian, too. Who knows?
I would never compare anyone to Hitler. He remains in a category of one. And I would not, either, get too carried away about Russian rhetoric at the moment. The denunciation of dissidents as “traitors” may just be the Russian version of Fox News excess of the type we heard in the run-up to the war in Iraq. (Check YouTube to see what I mean.) At the same time, there are contrary signs — the election of Putin critics to this or that office and the distinct lack of Nazi-style rhetoric regarding minorities. Specifically, Putin seems free of anti-Semitism.
Still, what are we to make of Migranyan? He did not write in a vacuum. The Kremlin is stifling dissent. The Russian foreign minister is either lying with abandon or blithely passing lies on — or both. So-called green men, troops with their faces shielded and their identifying insignias missing, have circulated through eastern Ukraine, as they did in Crimea. Ukrainian and some Western intelligence agencies identify them as Russian, even down to providing the names of certain individuals. These are similar to the techniques Hitler used to provoke intervention in neighboring countries. He was forever coming to the rescue of embattled German minorities.
Migranyan and presumably Putin live in a different era. They think the line they must not cross is one that will provoke a truly punishing Western reaction — such as seizing parts of the Baltic states. But they have already crossed a line. The West, including Barack Obama, knows that Putin cannot be trusted. He is a liar — and not a very good one. (He once said no Russian troops went into Crimea but later admitted they had.) He is at heart an autocrat who wants to re-create as much of the old Soviet empire as he can.
The consequences of all this are not yet clear. It is clear, though, that the Russia of Gorbachev and Yeltsin is gone and something new and yet familiar has taken its place. The Obama administration recognizes the new reality and is appropriately dusting off Cold War playbooks. Russia, it seems, may be turning its back on Europe — but not, ominously, on some of its ugly 20th-century history.
Is Andranik Migranyan right?
If he leaves Eastern Ukraine alone, and works with the West to ensure that what is left of Ukraine becomes a functioning democracy, then it is unlikely to ever vote for EU or NATO membership, and Russia will be able to maintain some sort of influence over its neighbour.
Crimea was different (in his eyes) because it had a very substantial Russian majority and has always historically been part of Russia.
But Putin has also suggested that Ukraine is broken up into autonomous federal republics, which of course would be much easier for him to pick off one by one.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Crimea was different (in his eyes) because it ....... has always historically been part of Russia.
When Catherine the Great Invaded the Crimea and Put the Rest of the World on Edge
ORAC:
In 1774, Pugachev led 20,000 peasants in the capture of the Russian city of Kazan, setting fire to the city and slaughtering noble families. Catherine’s troops responded to the violence with violence. Pugachev and hundreds of his supporters were executed and thousands more were flogged or mutilated.
Rebellions are put down hard, and it's rarely pretty. (Our four year civil war was seen by many in the North as a rebellion, particularly those who were later in the "Radical Reconstructionist" group.)
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Are you really trying to draw a comparison between the current situation in Ukraine and the break-up of Yugoslavia genocide in Bosnia which lead to external intervention? 
As a matter of fact, yes, there's a parallel. In any given nation there are fault lines, some more severe than others.
The fault lines in Yugoslavia, after Tito went west, were exploited by those within and without the country. The number of fifth column Iranian/Pasdaran, for example, in Bosnia were at the hightest count I ever got from our intel section around two hundred.
The American government spent millions of dollars on contractors who trained Croats and Bosnian Croats how to run a coordinated military operation, which led to pushing the Kraijina Serbs out while Serbia proper was being held back by NATO forces/threat of force.
The bombing of Belgrade and Serbia for over 70 days over the Kosovars a few years later was the West deconstructing Serbia even further. Foreigners interfering with other nations, in a big way.
Now, was the intervention into the Yugoslavia civil war warranted? By Europeans, as it was in their back yard, I'd say so. They didn't like that crap going on in their neighborhood. Oddly enough, the Germans (one of the Powers of Europe once again) sat it out.
Is there a like genocide afoot in Ukraine? Not yet, nor a civil war just yet ... but there was a hell of a lot more to the mess in Yugoslavia, and it's component parts, than the genocide in Bosnia. You could do a bit of research and look at the links between Croatia and Germany as Croatia successfully seceded, as did Slovenia. If you really want an insight into that mess in Yugoslavia, talk to a Greek ... not an American, nor a Brit, nor a German, nor a Frenchman. The Greek officers I served with had a completely different view of the intervention in Former Yugoslavia than what you seem to have consumed and assumed.
There are fault lines in Ukraine. People outside are exploiting them, as are people inside. In that respect, it is similar with the potential for more gunplay and a sizeable body count.
The fault lines in Yugoslavia, after Tito went west, were exploited by those within and without the country. The number of fifth column Iranian/Pasdaran, for example, in Bosnia were at the hightest count I ever got from our intel section around two hundred.
The American government spent millions of dollars on contractors who trained Croats and Bosnian Croats how to run a coordinated military operation, which led to pushing the Kraijina Serbs out while Serbia proper was being held back by NATO forces/threat of force.
The bombing of Belgrade and Serbia for over 70 days over the Kosovars a few years later was the West deconstructing Serbia even further. Foreigners interfering with other nations, in a big way.
Now, was the intervention into the Yugoslavia civil war warranted? By Europeans, as it was in their back yard, I'd say so. They didn't like that crap going on in their neighborhood. Oddly enough, the Germans (one of the Powers of Europe once again) sat it out.
Is there a like genocide afoot in Ukraine? Not yet, nor a civil war just yet ... but there was a hell of a lot more to the mess in Yugoslavia, and it's component parts, than the genocide in Bosnia. You could do a bit of research and look at the links between Croatia and Germany as Croatia successfully seceded, as did Slovenia. If you really want an insight into that mess in Yugoslavia, talk to a Greek ... not an American, nor a Brit, nor a German, nor a Frenchman. The Greek officers I served with had a completely different view of the intervention in Former Yugoslavia than what you seem to have consumed and assumed.
There are fault lines in Ukraine. People outside are exploiting them, as are people inside. In that respect, it is similar with the potential for more gunplay and a sizeable body count.