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Old 15th Apr 2014, 10:01
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Someone more fluent in Russian might be able to confirm the make and model of that bomber from a Russian source.

One post linked to English Moscow Times, where it was mentioned a Tu-95 bomber. To be honest, that machine looks like it's going to scare people to death and ruin a city by the massive amount of noise it makes. I bet they really thought out the resonance frequency of concrete when they designed that devil.... ;-D

Here's a picture for some kind of size comparison...

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FWIW, AF has denied that a collision was narrowly avoided above Moscow.

According to preliminary information gathered, the 1000 feet separation was observed at any time and there was no risk of collision and passenger safety was not engaged
AF1465 Moscou Paris du 14 mars 2014 : Air France - Corporate

Air France dément une collision évitée dans le ciel de Moscou

Non story, methink.

[edit] and from French sources, there never was a doubt: the russian aircraft involved was a Tu-95.
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Old 15th Apr 2014, 10:30
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TOW 187700 kg, Mach 0.84 at FL 400 with 4 prop engines....
It is really HUGE and NOISY!!!
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AZR

If the French denies this, I then wonder why someone would put a crazy story like this in a newspaper in the first place. I mean, wouldn't they (=the Russians) have better things to do, like NOT invading other countries.
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Quote: FWIW, AF has denied that a collision was narrowly avoided above Moscow.

That might just be a political 'saving face' denial, for whatever reason.
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I seem to remember reading that when our QRA fighters formated on the Tu-95 back in the day - I think they were talking Lightnings at the time - our pilots could actually hear/feel the Tu-95's engines/props. Could that be true? They must certainly be moving an awful of air. They are, after all, 'naked' high bypass fan jets.
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Having formated on a few Tu-95s 'back in the day', I can assure you that one can most certainly hear the sound of the propellers:


Not the curious Ivan in his little leather helmet in the astrodome! They were usually quite friendly and known to wave - particularly when shown pages from The Sun calendar!

The chap in the back probably had the best view though:


Happy times!
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F15 pilots say they could hear TU95 even from 500 meters!
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F15 pilots say they could hear TU95 even from 500 meters!
That's because they wouldn't formate any closer....
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Old 16th Apr 2014, 19:19
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Really, Beagle?


You might want to retract that ...
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Old 16th Apr 2014, 22:03
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Granted that the Bear and the (very poor) photographic platform (presumably some Spam fighter) were just about in the same FIR, that film would have been useless for intelligence purposes.

Nothing to retract - and similar to the efforts of the SloeGins I recall from 25 years ago. Who didn't know a VC10 from a Nimrod - and who thought that the TriStar tanker was 'some airliner' next to the Bear.... Perhaps the same idiots who couldn't tell the difference between a Mil-24 Hind and an S-67 Blackhawk?
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About time you trot out the "a mate of mine" stories about US mil.

Maybe you can we-write the CVN and lighthouse story. You ran with that as gospel for quite some time. Maybe it still has legs.


Perhaps the same idiots who couldn't tell the difference between a Mil-24 Hind and an S-67 Blackhawk?
BTW, looks like your acft recognition isn't up to snuff either. Look up the S-67
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couldn't tell the difference between a Mil-24 Hind and an S-67 Blackhawk
To be strictly correct that should be Mi-24 as well .

However, I would suggest that Beags is hinting, tongue in cheek, about a matter that has been of more serious concern over many years.

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"Including once by the enemy".

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S-60, sorry.

And I've never claimed that the lighthouse story is true....


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that's an old old story - apparently there are versions going back to 1910...............
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......AAAAAh yes;

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and probably started by Beags's grandfather.
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And Beags heard it while bouncing onn his grandfathers knee and has passed it along to younger generations of the gullible.
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Old 17th Apr 2014, 16:05
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Back to Bears.
One day, many years ago ( so I am told ) a Bear F ( Tu-142) was allegedly being escorted by a couple of RAF F-4s when it was noticed that the rear weapons bay doors were open.
Now there were very strict instructions regarding separation, which were of course always scrupulously obeyed by our AD crews.
Somehow, and obviously inadvertently, ( the story goes) one F-4 drifted under and up towards the Bear's belly. Indeed, the crew could not possibly have realised how close they were as the Nav. was accidentally taking Hand-Held photos that showed right up into the weapons bay.

Which was when the Bear dropped a sonobouy.

Never believed the story myself, it probably never happened.....
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Wasn't it CourtneyMil who nearly did CFIT when under one of them, trying to read the number or something and the Russians gradually descended,
very slowly and Courtney realized something wasn't right and suddenly realized how close to the ground they were ?

I think it's on his blog but can't find it.
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Nope, didn't happen. Nobody on either side gradually tightened up in turns, slowly descended or showed Playboy centerfold pictures to Russkie crews.( one of whom waved back the issue)
Got in really close and then closer putting gloves on the coaming ( that looked like hands- one two eek!)
Never happened ( or so I am told)...
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