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The problem is that there is a huge amount of training required to remain proficient at operating aircraft and a significant pre embarkation tariff.
I don't disagree that all players need the NBCD training - but I do foresee a need for Phoenix to be incredibly flexible in providing it.
I don't disagree that all players need the NBCD training - but I do foresee a need for Phoenix to be incredibly flexible in providing it.
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Orca,
Fully agree, but they can share the load with Raleigh who also have the school of sea survival, complete with DRIU and Fire school. I just read the ditty for Pheonix and they quote 9,000 students for various courses a year, so between them the provision of damage control and fire fighting should be covered.
As you said, the training isn't a "nice to have", it's essential, so keeping your guys current has been part of pre-embarkation training for years now, also one of the reasons the WAFUs join in with the "workup" phase for a ship.
I expect the light blue customers will soon find a nice hotel near each base so they don't have to stay in that awful military accommodation!
Sorry couldn,t resist
Cheers now
Fully agree, but they can share the load with Raleigh who also have the school of sea survival, complete with DRIU and Fire school. I just read the ditty for Pheonix and they quote 9,000 students for various courses a year, so between them the provision of damage control and fire fighting should be covered.
As you said, the training isn't a "nice to have", it's essential, so keeping your guys current has been part of pre-embarkation training for years now, also one of the reasons the WAFUs join in with the "workup" phase for a ship.
I expect the light blue customers will soon find a nice hotel near each base so they don't have to stay in that awful military accommodation!
Sorry couldn,t resist
Cheers now
Interesting days 'out of the office'
I have fond memories of various damage control, firefighting and sea survival courses, especially those undertaken during CO(desig) course. Such sessions provide rare opportunities for mid-to-high ranking officers to get their hands dirty in physically demanding conditions:Do RAF aircrew undergo routine Dunker refreshers like the FAA?
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Now retired For the many years prior to that I attended the Yeovilton Dunker every year for refresher training. On my last two visits the divers actually gave very good instruction in place of the usual crab baiting previously. The STASS training was exceptionally good. I can't speak for all RAF aviators nowadays but many of us did keep the dunker qual up to date.
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On a more serious note.
http://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/scottish-nationalists-demand-third-aircraft-carrier/
http://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/scottish-nationalists-demand-third-aircraft-carrier/
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LOL, A hospital ship for a hospital case ?????????
I couldn't think of a worse name for a ship than Alex Salmond.
That is unless it was fat, slow and ugly !
I couldn't think of a worse name for a ship than Alex Salmond.
That is unless it was fat, slow and ugly !
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The catering team will hold a traditional 'Dunk the Mars Bar in a deep fat fryer' supper accompanied by the least memorable lines from a long dead poet and a multi purpose self inflating life vest cum bagpipes.
For junior ratings unhealthy Mars Bars can be replaced by deep fried Four Seasons pizzas upon application to the Captain
For junior ratings unhealthy Mars Bars can be replaced by deep fried Four Seasons pizzas upon application to the Captain
Fodplod,
A long time ago, in a galaxy far far before the "sandy wars", RAF air and ground crews often attended the same courses you listed; ie when we had time and were not focused on one campaign. I dare say we will do so again post Herrick.
As a RW pilot I have 'dunked' more times than I can remember.....
The ability of the RN to 'mystify' maritime Avn from large decks always makes me chuckle. The art is not in the flying to/from or operating from the deck, it is the specialisation behind the planning and co-ordination of the DOTAH and FlyPro that absolutely need specialist support. Operating as an independant ships flight from a small DD/FF deck, on the other hand, is a completely different kettle of fish(heads).
A long time ago, in a galaxy far far before the "sandy wars", RAF air and ground crews often attended the same courses you listed; ie when we had time and were not focused on one campaign. I dare say we will do so again post Herrick.
As a RW pilot I have 'dunked' more times than I can remember.....
The ability of the RN to 'mystify' maritime Avn from large decks always makes me chuckle. The art is not in the flying to/from or operating from the deck, it is the specialisation behind the planning and co-ordination of the DOTAH and FlyPro that absolutely need specialist support. Operating as an independant ships flight from a small DD/FF deck, on the other hand, is a completely different kettle of fish(heads).
no training
back before it was common, I was a 'crab' on the old Invincible for several months.
The call came on a Friday night (doesn't it always?) "They want you on Invincible in the Adriatic on Monday Morning."
after the inevitable "Okay who is this?" the ball started rolling and by Wednesday I was on the ship. I had never been to sea before and it was bewildering to say the least.
We did have a minor fire, the lining in the funnel (or chimney as I called it) caught fire and I was asked to monitor the temperature of the wall (bulkhead) in my room (flat). I learn quickly and I'm sure I was no particular hazard to myself or others however ...
the language barrier frequently got in the way.
We take it for granted that we speak in 'RAF English' and when faced with an alien environment in which 'jackspeak' is the norm confusion is rife.
More joint exercises will no doubt help with this ...
The call came on a Friday night (doesn't it always?) "They want you on Invincible in the Adriatic on Monday Morning."
after the inevitable "Okay who is this?" the ball started rolling and by Wednesday I was on the ship. I had never been to sea before and it was bewildering to say the least.
We did have a minor fire, the lining in the funnel (or chimney as I called it) caught fire and I was asked to monitor the temperature of the wall (bulkhead) in my room (flat). I learn quickly and I'm sure I was no particular hazard to myself or others however ...
the language barrier frequently got in the way.
We take it for granted that we speak in 'RAF English' and when faced with an alien environment in which 'jackspeak' is the norm confusion is rife.
More joint exercises will no doubt help with this ...
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"A Crab Goes to Sea" by Air Comodore Graham Pitchfork . I quote " From the day i landed onboard. I was struck by the skills of the deck party as they marshelled us to within inches. The sight of a fully worked-up deck party on a RN Carrier .Was the most professional military operation i ever witnessed in 36 years of RAF srvice"
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The book referred to is "The Buccaneers : Operational Service With The Royal Navy And Royal Air Force"
The quote refers to the authors time aboard HMS Eagle when she operated the Gyron Powered Buccaneer S1.
The F-35B should be a lot less scary to both launch and recover and QE also has a much bigger flight deck than Eagle as well as large deck edge lifts.
The quote refers to the authors time aboard HMS Eagle when she operated the Gyron Powered Buccaneer S1.
The F-35B should be a lot less scary to both launch and recover and QE also has a much bigger flight deck than Eagle as well as large deck edge lifts.
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My book quote is From the Cockpit MK1 Buccaneers by Michael J Doust..."A Crab goes to Sea" by Air Commodore Graham Pitchfork MBE BA FRAeS QUOTE On descending out of cloud,this was the mighty Eagle and i was expected to land on her. When we landed ,i picked my face out of the instruments in front. From that day on,i have always considered the fully worked up aircrew/deck party of a ROYAL NAVY carrier as the most professional military operations that i have ever witnessed, in 36 years RAF service. Ps no wishful dreaming on my part My old Kitbag!!
is From the Cockpit MK1 Buccaneers by Michael J Doust..."A Crab goes to Sea" by Air Commodore Graham Pitchfork MBE BA FRAeS QUOTE On descending out of cloud,this was the mighty Eagle and i was expected to land on her. When we landed ,i picked my face out of the instruments in front. From that day on,i have always considered the fully worked up aircrew/deck party of a ROYAL NAVY carrier as the most professional military operations that i have ever witnessed, in 36 years RAF service. Ps no wishful dreaming on my part My old Kitbag!!
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My mistake. Though the book mentioned is a gem, my memory had a lapse and the precise quote used is as per the title referenced by David Parry.
My apologies to all for the bum steer!
My mistake. Though the book mentioned is a gem, my memory had a lapse and the precise quote used is as per the title referenced by David Parry.
My apologies to all for the bum steer!
