End looms for US Air Force's 'Warthog' ground-attack jet
Over the full life, would the F14, F15 and F16 be considered
good value for money ?
good value for money ?
Interesting that Hans-Ulrich Rudel of Luftwaffe WW2 was used as a reference point in development of A10.
SASless,
Maybe the RAF would give 80 or 90 of the reworked ones a good home, after all we foolishly sold you the GR 9 Harriers, damn politicians. Don't suppose the the US Army would find a home for them as a tag team for the Apache's or is that in the too hard box.
I would suppose the RAF is exactly the same....except it does not have a real CAS aircraft in the Inventory anymore.
If all A10's become Air National Guard then that avoids their deletion................correct ?
As ANG is State Govenors plaything funded by US Senators from the state.....that is my understanding of it but perhaps some in the know will clarify.
As ANG is State Govenors plaything funded by US Senators from the state.....that is my understanding of it but perhaps some in the know will clarify.
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Over the full life, would the F14, F15 and F16 be considered
good value for money ?
good value for money ?
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I thought the Marines were going to take some ?
Like the Harrier, they could end up with a nice reserve of aircraft ready to go and another nice reserve of aircraft at that designated storage site.
Agree re Herc.
Iroquois would be another ????
Like the Harrier, they could end up with a nice reserve of aircraft ready to go and another nice reserve of aircraft at that designated storage site.
Agree re Herc.
Iroquois would be another ????
lets see 6000grs/3200fps roughly 152000# energy X50/second.
Thats a world o hurt, even without explosive shells.I understand their SOP for fighter intercept is turn into them, and hose em, probably shoot down any incoming missile too.
Thats a world o hurt, even without explosive shells.I understand their SOP for fighter intercept is turn into them, and hose em, probably shoot down any incoming missile too.
As nice as the A-10 is, it's doesn't fit nicely into the Marines expeditionary doctrine. Neither does the FA-18D model one could argue but someone in DC got enamored with it.
The key is to design an aircraft to fulfill a specific role, not one aircraft for multiple diversified roles. When this happens, compromises decrease the value verses both cost and capability.
You mean like the F-35?
I've always been impressed with the A-10. I've seen pictures of the shells - they have so much powder they look like 2 liter Coke bottles with a big stopper
But the Air Force brass has always hated it and tried to get rid of it, dating back pretty much to it's introduction - claiming an F-16 could do the same job 
But I'd bet serious money that if you told an AF pilot he/she would be going into harms way, doing close air support in an area of heavy anti-aircraft defense, 10 out of 10 would pick the A-10 over an F16.
You mean like the F-35?
I've always been impressed with the A-10. I've seen pictures of the shells - they have so much powder they look like 2 liter Coke bottles with a big stopper
But the Air Force brass has always hated it and tried to get rid of it, dating back pretty much to it's introduction - claiming an F-16 could do the same job But I'd bet serious money that if you told an AF pilot he/she would be going into harms way, doing close air support in an area of heavy anti-aircraft defense, 10 out of 10 would pick the A-10 over an F16.
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"10 out of 10 would pick the A-10 over an F16."
Those links to the two aircraft "landings", I went through the rest of the pages on that page and read each story.
Capt Kim Cambell's aircraft was damaged but some of the other A-10's
on those pages were in some ways worse but still got back. One was the
A-10 that was hit by a S16 SAM, bloody amazing how it survived.
Obviously a very tough aircraft.
Those links to the two aircraft "landings", I went through the rest of the pages on that page and read each story.
Capt Kim Cambell's aircraft was damaged but some of the other A-10's
on those pages were in some ways worse but still got back. One was the
A-10 that was hit by a S16 SAM, bloody amazing how it survived.
Obviously a very tough aircraft.
So, what was it that looked like an A10, but wasn't.
p.s. I didn't say they LOOKED like A10s, I said 'they weren't A10s'.
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I talked to my brother-in-law(A RSM) about tanks, and were they out of date now.
He absolutely agreed, right up until the point where somebody started firing back, and then all the neigh sayers who went on about how we should have lighter more mobile armies, looked for the nearest tank to..
1. Fire back.
2. Then hide behind.
His point was, and it reminds me of the "should the Apache have the 30mm cannon fitted" discussion, that when the real nasty fighting starts wether your Sharpe in the Peninsula war, or a Marine stuck under heavy enemy fire in Afghanistan, nothing replaces the ability to loiter around blowing the **** out of the enemy with large amounts of mark one eyeball guided lead.
He absolutely agreed, right up until the point where somebody started firing back, and then all the neigh sayers who went on about how we should have lighter more mobile armies, looked for the nearest tank to..
1. Fire back.
2. Then hide behind.
His point was, and it reminds me of the "should the Apache have the 30mm cannon fitted" discussion, that when the real nasty fighting starts wether your Sharpe in the Peninsula war, or a Marine stuck under heavy enemy fire in Afghanistan, nothing replaces the ability to loiter around blowing the **** out of the enemy with large amounts of mark one eyeball guided lead.
Watched a documentary on a US SF Team that got compromised while Scud Hunting in Iraq. They took cover in a Ditch and called for the Zoomies.
Four F-16's from the South Carolina Air National Guard appeared over head and started providing support....and had the Devil's own time locating the Friendlies down below. That they were hanging at 15,000 feet might have had something to do with that. They ultimately won the day by dropping ordnance "Danger Close" but the whole time they were recounting the day's events on video....it was always about how they feared they had hit the friendlies on several of the passes.
Had they used A-10 tactics....and got really low.....all that would have changed.
Back during Vietham....when we got Air Force TacAir support....we hoped it would be either A-1 Sky Raiders (Spads) or F-100's flown by old guys.....not F-4's who sometimes appeared to have problems hitting within the same Province much less anywhere near the Target. It was not unusual to see an F-100 Jet Jock with his O2 mask dangling....and a Cigar stuck in his mouth as he whizzed by on his run. One had to look well up to even see the F-4's.
The USMC F-4's on the other hand....got down and dirty and moved serious Mud.
But then the Marines are into serious "CAS" of other Marines!
Four F-16's from the South Carolina Air National Guard appeared over head and started providing support....and had the Devil's own time locating the Friendlies down below. That they were hanging at 15,000 feet might have had something to do with that. They ultimately won the day by dropping ordnance "Danger Close" but the whole time they were recounting the day's events on video....it was always about how they feared they had hit the friendlies on several of the passes.
Had they used A-10 tactics....and got really low.....all that would have changed.
Back during Vietham....when we got Air Force TacAir support....we hoped it would be either A-1 Sky Raiders (Spads) or F-100's flown by old guys.....not F-4's who sometimes appeared to have problems hitting within the same Province much less anywhere near the Target. It was not unusual to see an F-100 Jet Jock with his O2 mask dangling....and a Cigar stuck in his mouth as he whizzed by on his run. One had to look well up to even see the F-4's.
The USMC F-4's on the other hand....got down and dirty and moved serious Mud.
But then the Marines are into serious "CAS" of other Marines!
As nice as the A-10 is, it's doesn't fit nicely into the Marines expeditionary doctrine. Neither does the FA-18D model one could argue but someone in DC got enamored with it.
A10's and Harriers are kind of their aircraft, complementary as well..............
The USMC F-4's on the other hand....got down and dirty and moved serious Mud.
or is this an Urban myth...
Is it true that unless you came back with some green flora and fauna attached
There were other contributing factors.
design process went - target (T62), weapon (37mm cannon) means of carriage in hostile environment (warthog).
not much wrong with that.
other option is look good at airshows.
werts
not much wrong with that.
other option is look good at airshows.
werts
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The A-10 was designed with survivability with other factors such as placing the engines up and back. The Apache also seems to have been built with survivability.
Have any other aircraft been built like these.
Have any other aircraft been built like these.