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Old 29th Aug 2013, 22:04
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Nice one. The only tanker slow enough to refuel a Shack would be an oil
tanker
Would that be the floating type tanker or your trusty old bowser?
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TOP UP FROM A TANKER !!!!!!!!!
Perish the thought, only a sadist would think of that.
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Aerial refueling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looped hose system. I guess you could open the upper hatch at the wardroom and feed the grapple and then hose in there.

Have to stop smoking though.
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I guess you could open the upper hatch at the wardroom and feed the grapple
and then hose in there.
And pass down some Dairy Cream Sponges while you are at it!

I suppose that if a tanker was available (and you didn't bother about the oil) then the limits for endurance would depend upon the capacity of the elsan toilet (which is just a bucket with a seat on), although I suppose it could be baled out and the contents poured down the flare shoot. As an aside, the elsan had to be "cling-filmed" before any air-display to prevent spillage.
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PN. The Farnborough 22 hour flights were in either '59, '60, '61, probably 1960. The aircraft took off as the last item on Day 1 and landed as the first item on Day 2, etc. Our route took us towards Lisbon, Canary Islands, Azores, flown at endurance speed. Extra fuel was contained in a bomb bay tank. There was an 'enhanced' crew plus, of course, many extra pies!
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rvusa, thank you. My source was over 40 years ago . Name might have been Duke.
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Name might have been Duke.
John Wayne used to fly Shackletons?? I knew that there were a lot of cowboys in the maritime world, but this is news to me!!
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May I relate my other 'Shack' story?

In the late 70's, a Shack went on a ranger to Germany. The aircraft's route included flying over the reservoirs and dams of the Ruhr at low level.

The pilot was immediately posted as RAFG Flight Safety Officer.

...bless. Ben

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You will find that the Mk 2 spent more time in service as an AEW rather than as the MR variant (17 years maritime: 20 years as AEW).
Er... what about WL738 and WG556? Both were built in 1952 and served until 1978 and 1980 respectively, which put them at 26 and 28 years all spent as MR Mk2..?


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You will find that the Mk 2 spent more time in service as an AEW rather than as the MR variant (17 years maritime: 20 years as AEW).
I think 8 Sqn with their AEW Shacks only ever mustered 10 constituted crews at best - whereas there were something like 15 MR Shack sqns.
To paraphrase someone else, it's not the length that counts, it's the width!
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SV, width and quality.
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.. which is why I said paraphrase.
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The pilot was immediately posted as RAFG Flight Safety Officer.

...bless. Ben
Benbow?



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1956 Suez crisis.
The country was just recovering from the war and the RAF were short of aircraft (what’s new) at that time they had Valletta’s and Hastings. 3 Para were tasked to fly out to Cyprus refuelling at Marseille. En route to Cyprus the bomb bay was accidently opened and all their kit fell into the Mediterranean. My friend who was on that Op was sat in the back turret with a great coat on.
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I was always amused by one of the MR war loads - which was '28 fully armed troops'.
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JackW, had to read that twice
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Yes, Ben.

He also claimed responsibility for the picture of Harold Wilson wearing a MK1 bonedome back-to-front, with the pigtail dangling across his nose.

...love him to bits.

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The airborne used the Hastings and Valletta in 56 but due to shortages the RAF provided a few Shackletons

Shackleton - Aircraft Profile - Avro : Shackleton

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I was involved in the trooping after Suez when it was get the lads home for Christmas time. Went to Luqa, night stop then a shuttle to Nicosia and back to Luqa, night stop, then back to UK,( St. Mawgan)
Somebody had worked out the exact floor space allocated to each of the 28 troops. As co-pilot I did the walk round, climbed in,and made sure the door was secure. Now the tricky bit getting from the rear door to the right hand seat with every square inch of floor covered with bodies. I was lifted and passed up to the front end of the aircraft !
I can not remember the reason but Shackletons were involved in trooping to Cyprus in June 1958. We collected the troops at Abingdon where the regiment band was playing as the 28 troops squeezed into the Shackleton.
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wets, it could only have been Ben Benbow!

He was UTP during my basic flying training at RAFC in 1974 and was a breath of fresh air to my fellow students and I - he treated us as fellow pilots, unlike the OT instructor miseries (one of whom accused the late Don Turbitt of having 'un-officer like bone structure...' )

Ben's tales of his first flying tour in the RAF had us in stitches - it wasn't on Shacklebombers, it was on Beaufighter TT10s at RAF Seletar in about 1959! He spent his time in the back of the Beau operating the target winch, before taking a commission and starting pilot training, followed by a long career on the Shack.
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