RAF Combat Aircraft Holdings : Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty
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RAF Combat Aircraft Holdings : Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty
These statistics were made public yesterday by DASA ...
MOD Equipment Holdings : CAF in Europe statistics
The data is at 1st Jan 2013 and naturally excludes our hardware based out in Afghanistan and the Falkland Islands.
Looking specifically at Section 4.02.03
I noticed 64 Jag's along with 26 JP's declared. So they've been withdrawn from RAF service but who is sitting on them and where ?
There are/were a few Jag's at Bentwaters ... does any one know if these "holdings" have now diminished through sale and or destruction ?
I didn't post some of the sad pics of the Jag's at Bentwaters (easy to find with Google) ... very sad indeed
Sad reading the other stats ... under Section 4.02.08 ... I wonder how close we ever came to our ceiling of 900 Combat Aircraft in Europe ... we might need to go back two/three decades for that
As an aside ... it's interesting that the JP was counted "in" but the Tucano is "out"
It would seem this is the reason.
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MOD Equipment Holdings : CAF in Europe statistics
The data is at 1st Jan 2013 and naturally excludes our hardware based out in Afghanistan and the Falkland Islands.
Looking specifically at Section 4.02.03
I noticed 64 Jag's along with 26 JP's declared. So they've been withdrawn from RAF service but who is sitting on them and where ?
There are/were a few Jag's at Bentwaters ... does any one know if these "holdings" have now diminished through sale and or destruction ?
I didn't post some of the sad pics of the Jag's at Bentwaters (easy to find with Google) ... very sad indeed
Sad reading the other stats ... under Section 4.02.08 ... I wonder how close we ever came to our ceiling of 900 Combat Aircraft in Europe ... we might need to go back two/three decades for that
As an aside ... it's interesting that the JP was counted "in" but the Tucano is "out"
It would seem this is the reason.
Primary trainer aircraft These aircraft are designed and constructed for primary flying training and means aircraft which may possess only limited armament capability necessary for basic training in weapon delivery techniques.
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As an ex CFE staff officer, we had to count them all gate guardians,museum pieces etc, unless they had been formally destroyed physically like the poor old Buccaneers at Lossiemouth when I was SATCO there. Carted out of the gate to the scrap yard in bits. I recall the Buccaneer at the petrol station in Elgin on the Lossiemouth road causing a little stir during one CFE inspection!
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Originally Posted by PhillipG
Interesting that the number of Lightnings is increasing, where had they been before not to count?
Originally Posted by table 4.02.03 note 2
Obsolete non-operational equipment used as training aids, gate guardians, and museum pieces on CFE-declared sites.
They were on "non-CFE" sites, and have been moved to "CFE-declared" sites.
So what about the Hunter Gate Guards at RAF Valley, RAF Waddington (8 Sqn), RAF Halton and RAF Henlow? Don't they count?
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I am sure I've posted this before, but Uk policy used to be to declare averything, including Gate Guardians and the like, in the same section as the actual in-service airframes. ISTR it just made it easier all round that trying to prove that a particular gate guardian was no longer decarable because its fuel tanks were full of concrete, main spar cut or whatever.
I don't think we ever got near the ceiling.
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I don't think we ever got near the ceiling.
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Interesting ...
So the above list also looks to be "ex" the MOD QinetiQ assets at BD ... no Alpha Jet's for example ?
So the above list also looks to be "ex" the MOD QinetiQ assets at BD ... no Alpha Jet's for example ?
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STH, true, we used to report a number Spartans even though they were up to their 'necks' in mud on the bombing range. New reporting officer saw sense and removed them from the count.
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