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500N, that is a non sequitur. We have no prior knowledge of what the rebels may have done in the past.
Its rather dragging on now isn't it ? Which I'm sure wasn't the plan at the outset.SH#T or get off the pot or every loon who wants his 40 virgins will be packing his rucksack and on his way.
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Bring forth the armourers....could someone explain why a Typhoon, or anything else for that matter, would use a 1000LB LGB on a single tank? Isn't there anything more appropriate, or is it a case of one size fits all?
Q: Why does a Typhoon drop a thousand pounder???????
A: Because it can!!!!!
Q: Why does a Typhoon not drop something smaller instead??????
A: Because it can't, as the smaller weapons haven't been cleared for release/carrage from the aircraft yet as it requires software changes, testing and quite a bit of money.
Plus if you look closely at that footage of the 1000 lb bomb hitting that tank, you will note there were another two tanks and an APC in very close proximty, which are most likely now not in anything like a good working order.
A: Because it can!!!!!
Q: Why does a Typhoon not drop something smaller instead??????
A: Because it can't, as the smaller weapons haven't been cleared for release/carrage from the aircraft yet as it requires software changes, testing and quite a bit of money.
Plus if you look closely at that footage of the 1000 lb bomb hitting that tank, you will note there were another two tanks and an APC in very close proximty, which are most likely now not in anything like a good working order.
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Understood, but we have facts with Gaddafi. And at least some of the Rebels have been persecuted by him as well - the mass Prison murder being one example.
Understood, but we have facts with Gaddafi. And at least some of the Rebels have been persecuted by him as well - the mass Prison murder being one example.
Plus if you look closely at that footage of the 1000 lb bomb hitting that tank, you will note there were another two tanks and an APC in very close proximty, which are most likely now not in anything like a good working order
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I hate to say it, but the best strategy may be to keep both sides pinned down fighting each other, never allowing either side to attain victory. At some point they may become weary of fighting altogether, a plus for the world. That strategy worked for some time with Iraq/Iran.
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dead pan,
We shouldn't be too scathing, at least the Typhoon's won't need to do an expensive heavy weapons det to Davis Monthan. And think of all those Guillemots on Garvie that won't be pestered by the crack of HE.
Smart move. Get a first combat tick doing air defence where there are no opposing aircraft and air to ground where you have a whole host of hulks parked up to plink at.
Might just help offset the HoC Defence Select Committee article on Typhoon in the BBC news today.
£125million a pop with a total programme cost of £20billion. Gulp.
Makes other oft criticised programmes look cheap.
We shouldn't be too scathing, at least the Typhoon's won't need to do an expensive heavy weapons det to Davis Monthan. And think of all those Guillemots on Garvie that won't be pestered by the crack of HE.
Smart move. Get a first combat tick doing air defence where there are no opposing aircraft and air to ground where you have a whole host of hulks parked up to plink at.
Might just help offset the HoC Defence Select Committee article on Typhoon in the BBC news today.
£125million a pop with a total programme cost of £20billion. Gulp.
Makes other oft criticised programmes look cheap.
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£125million a pop with a total programme cost of £20billion. Gulp.
(well, the Saudi's paid for a whole bunch of it). 
Some images of destroyed armour in Libya. If it is deemed safe to drop it then why not use it?
The other options is to drop inert.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Tornados to drop 'concrete bombs'
TJ
The other options is to drop inert.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Tornados to drop 'concrete bombs'
TJ
In re the size of the bombs ...
There was a rumor that the IAF used GBU 39's (250-lb guided bomb) in Gaza a few years ago, but Israeli officials said no, they didn't.
F-15E's are certified for them. (2006 ish) Not sure if other platforms are certified or not.
Did the UK get on board the small bomb band wagon, or the French? I seem to recall that either the French or Italians wanted to use the smaller bombs ... but don't have any idea.
If this is "not for public discussion" please advise.
There was a rumor that the IAF used GBU 39's (250-lb guided bomb) in Gaza a few years ago, but Israeli officials said no, they didn't.
F-15E's are certified for them. (2006 ish) Not sure if other platforms are certified or not.
Did the UK get on board the small bomb band wagon, or the French? I seem to recall that either the French or Italians wanted to use the smaller bombs ... but don't have any idea.
If this is "not for public discussion" please advise.
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Come on David, let’s go in there as well. It’s obvious that the “people” want rid of the current dodgy Government; they just want a fair democracy. And look how good you will portray yourself as being a strong leader on the world stage. Better still you will be able to say “See I told you so, that it was all about democracy and not oil”
Go for it mate, we have plenty of spare assets (lots of Tornados and Typhoons that you haven’t chopped yet) at your disposal. You know it makes sense.
Come on David, let’s go in there as well. It’s obvious that the “people” want rid of the current dodgy Government; they just want a fair democracy. And look how good you will portray yourself as being a strong leader on the world stage. Better still you will be able to say “See I told you so, that it was all about democracy and not oil”
Go for it mate, we have plenty of spare assets (lots of Tornados and Typhoons that you haven’t chopped yet) at your disposal. You know it makes sense.
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There was a rumor that the IAF used GBU 39's (250-lb guided bomb) in Gaza a few years ago, but Israeli officials said no, they didn't.
Anyway, 120mm mortar cluster munitions (Spanish made) being fired into Misrata
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/16/wo...html?ref=world
& Qaddafi Forces Fire Cluster Munitions on Misurata C.J. Chivers
Under what RoE would the Typhoon have engaged the tanks in that tank park? The tanks are clearly not flying and therefore not in breach of the NFZ and they certainly do not appear to be attacking civilians.
Do we have carte blanche to take out any military vehicles/assets without them being an actual threat to the rebels/civilians? It could have been U/S in a servicing compound. Taking out non-threat targets in a 'shooting fish in a barrel' way is hardly the stuff of what is supposed to a be a premier league Air Force.
The desperate need to show how the Typhoon is such a modern, multi-role aircraft is frankly embarrassing.
Do we have carte blanche to take out any military vehicles/assets without them being an actual threat to the rebels/civilians? It could have been U/S in a servicing compound. Taking out non-threat targets in a 'shooting fish in a barrel' way is hardly the stuff of what is supposed to a be a premier league Air Force.
The desperate need to show how the Typhoon is such a modern, multi-role aircraft is frankly embarrassing.
what tank park? Looks like it's next to a highway to me.
The UN1973 allows NATO to take out threatening actions. Moving tanks towards the "rebels" and then "parking" them is a hostile act.
The shame is that Europe without US help would be just like France in 1940....
The UN1973 allows NATO to take out threatening actions. Moving tanks towards the "rebels" and then "parking" them is a hostile act.
The shame is that Europe without US help would be just like France in 1940....