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Old 9th Sep 2011, 08:22   #81 (permalink)
 
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Devil Re: SFFP Post 79

What might satisfy SFFP (and give Their Airships yet more vapours) on the day the A400M enters RAF service would be to arrange a tagger to add a "t" at the end of the name* their 'Ships have given it ... only to be revealed when the drapes covering the name fall ceremoniously away ...












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Old 9th Sep 2011, 10:02   #82 (permalink)
 
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Or perhaps an 'f' and an extra 's'?

Everyone knows that ALMs like a fAtlass....

I don't see much need for a stretch, given that the max. payload has already increased from the 25 tonne of 'Euroflag Solution 20' through 37 tonne in 2003 to the present 40 tonne.
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Old 9th Sep 2011, 11:45   #83 (permalink)
 
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Angel

Beags,
always remember the larger lady is always more grateful . Big girls need loving too (and they kept one warm in the snowy wastes of Newfoundland and Labrador!)
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Old 10th Sep 2011, 15:16   #84 (permalink)
 
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Keesje, where's the JATO STOL package, the sonobuoy dispensers, and the refueling boom?

And shouldn't you also have a drawing of an A400 equipped with ski landing gear for snowy operations?
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Old 10th Sep 2011, 21:18   #85 (permalink)
 
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Any pictures of it flying in the last couple of days
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Old 11th Sep 2011, 09:28   #86 (permalink)
 
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Angel @ SFFP (again !!)

Sorry, Sir - too busy trimming roses and suchlike, but I can assure you that A400 airborne sightings occurred (and one probable, but only heard) at least twice in the Toulouse area during the second half of last week. Also, photos of aircraft lining up for approach at, say 1000 ft, aren't what one would hang on one's sitting room wall. (and I ain't got a camera anyway).
France's summer break was over a week or so ago, and it was good to see Grizzly/Atlas getting on with the testing programme. Dunno about events in Spain, but I can assure you that the "special" A400 sound is good to hear, at least for me, as well as other Airbus products on test, or in service (after all, that's what pays some of my pension ...).
Another thing - the RAF would be further forward in the queue if only the various UK ministries involved had shown some urgency - but 'twas ever thus, wonnit ?
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Old 11th Sep 2011, 09:48   #87 (permalink)
 
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So nothing since last week............
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Old 11th Sep 2011, 18:17   #88 (permalink)
 
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And if it makes that much noise it'll be bugger all use as a replacement MPA before anyone suggests it!
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Old 11th Sep 2011, 19:31   #89 (permalink)
 
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Keesje, where's the JATO STOL package, the sonobuoy dispensers, and the refueling boom?
Elmo, the A400M has hose and drogue. Sonobuoydispensers are more for naval aircraft, a JATO stoll package such as on the C130? Never heard of it for the A400M. Probably too big an aircraft for the mission.
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If I can heave smoke floats and an ASRA kit out of a Herc para door I'm sure a few sonobouys will be no problem for the A400M's larger para door.
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Old 12th Sep 2011, 14:19   #91 (permalink)
 
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Thumbs down Rising to the bait

OK, so I rise to SFFP's bait again, but his post on a Sunday saying "so nothing since last week" rather flabbers my gasts - perhaps I should have made it clear that I meant "7 - 9 September".
This Monday's quiet, though: little air traffic of any kind, so the photo-snappers round the airport won't have much to click their shutters at, which will probably give SFFP something else to sneer about ...

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Old 12th Sep 2011, 14:27   #92 (permalink)
 
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JP,

It was a genuine enquiry, nothing more nothing less.
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Old 12th Sep 2011, 14:39   #93 (permalink)
 
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Smile

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Understood - though wondering on a Sunday if there has been more activity since Friday ... !!!
I believe they're making good enough progress for "Stakhonovitis" not to be imminent.
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Old 13th Sep 2011, 09:02   #94 (permalink)
 
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Its currently busy on certification work and to reassure the doubters it flew past my window not an hour ago.
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Old 13th Sep 2011, 11:47   #95 (permalink)
 
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And if it makes that much noise it'll be bugger all use as a replacement MPA before anyone suggests it!
Why would we need a replacement MPA?

According to the coalition government this maritime nation doesn't require any aircraft for the role!
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Old 21st Sep 2011, 09:04   #96 (permalink)
 
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Modern Elmo,

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Keesje, where's the JATO STOL package, the sonobuoy dispensers, and the refueling boom?

And shouldn't you also have a drawing of an A400 equipped with ski landing gear for snowy operations?


Care to comment on the stealthuy Transport, Tanker, Bomber Gunship approach the americans are taking?



IMAGES: Lockheed's stealth C-130 successor revealed - The DEW Line

Maybe a good time to start adjusting your an MPA is an MPA, a tanker a tanker and a transport a transport view. Reality doesn't seem to agree no more.
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Old 21st Sep 2011, 09:15   #97 (permalink)
 
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Doesn't look like a very good engine layout for rough strip ops!
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Old 21st Sep 2011, 10:45   #98 (permalink)
 
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Reality doesn't seem to agree no more.
Wind tunnel models do not a competitor make.
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Old 21st Sep 2011, 14:31   #99 (permalink)
 
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Bit shy on the nose aspect RCS as well, unless the engines are retractable
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Old 22nd Sep 2011, 06:59   #100 (permalink)
 
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ouch they forgot about the engine RCS..

the final design is to have 4 smaller engines

these are real engines (Williams) apparently good enough for these tests

most tunnel test are to confirm computer modelling these days

this is a big model, which could mean they are past conceptual testing (smaller milled models)

maybe ground effect testing?

It seems to have big wings, offering space for lots of fuel.

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