New Falklands War Brewing
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all very well as long as we have a free sub that isn't on station in the Med or Indian Ocean / Red Sea, isn't broke or stranded on a sand bank, or refitting
And how far is 20 Tomahawks going to go? And where does it go for refills?
Cruise missiles are a waste of time unless you can deliver them in groups of 100's at a time
And how far is 20 Tomahawks going to go? And where does it go for refills?
Cruise missiles are a waste of time unless you can deliver them in groups of 100's at a time
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Fortunately, the reality is that we don't even need a boat down there, although we do need the opposition to believe that we have a boat down there.
What can a sub do? Belgrano.
What can a sub do? Belgrano.
Why follow the same pattern as done before when all need to do is load up a Cruise liner or two with "Tourists" removing the real ones and keeping them incommunicado for a week while you do a visit.
At this point in time you have your Special Forces ashore to shut down Air Defense capability and watch the rest occur.
Lets face it South Georgia was invaded first by (alledged) scrap metal merchants.
At this point in time you have your Special Forces ashore to shut down Air Defense capability and watch the rest occur.
Lets face it South Georgia was invaded first by (alledged) scrap metal merchants.
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"Do you get off on this claptrap? "
No - do you get off on being a short sighted fool?
No - do you get off on being a short sighted fool?
You my friend are embarrasing yourself. Best stick to face thingy
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Lets face it South Georgia was invaded first by (alledged) scrap metal merchants.
Well... Let's be honest... This discussion is departing into a fantasy world...
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Now the Argentine
is saying that the UK will be held responsible if the first Falklans defector is killed - an incident which the and her cronies are likely to arrange.
Argentina Threatens UK over Nationality Switch
There is no doubt in my mind that the is wanting to pick a fight. She knows full well that at present we wouldn't so much as send a row boat in their direction and she and her posse are guaging Britain's responses with increasing frequency.
If they don't try another outright invasion they will try something - that much seems apparent!
Argentinian President Cristina Kirchner (aka the) wants the 'Malvinas' to be 'returned' to Argentina and which action she believes will engrave her name into Argentina's history.
Now the Argentine
is saying that the UK will be held responsible if the first Falklans defector is killed - an incident which the and her cronies are likely to arrange.Argentina Threatens UK over Nationality Switch
There is no doubt in my mind that the
is wanting to pick a fight. She knows full well that at present we wouldn't so much as send a row boat in their direction and she and her posse are guaging Britain's responses with increasing frequency.If they don't try another outright invasion they will try something - that much seems apparent!
Argentinian President Cristina Kirchner (aka the
) wants the 'Malvinas' to be 'returned' to Argentina and which action she believes will engrave her name into Argentina's history.
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You would have thought the Argies would have learn't their lesson by now. I hope Kirchner ends up with egg on her face!
My only concern is the fact that the Tories have sold off our carrier fleet which leaves us in dire straits if something does kick off. I'm sure we have a few subs near by.
My only concern is the fact that the Tories have sold off our carrier fleet which leaves us in dire straits if something does kick off. I'm sure we have a few subs near by.
Well... Let's be honest... This discussion is departing into a fantasy world...
TBH shoving lots of people onto Civilian vessels as a means of getting them close to a target never happens
or did I imagine BA149 Kuwait 1990.....
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She knows full well that at present we wouldn't so much as send a row boat in their direction and she and her posse are guaging Britain's responses with increasing frequency.
If they don't try another outright invasion they will try something - that much seems apparent!
If they don't try another outright invasion they will try something - that much seems apparent!
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As for the Obama circus deliberately terming the Falkland Islands 'Malvinas' how do we know it isn't just the State Dept's attempt to keep the Argies keeping Chavez at arms length?
Tomawk missiles are a different era to my time playing silly fools, so please forgive this question if it is out of order.
Would we need permission from the US government to fire these missiles, and are we reliant on the GPS system to use them?
As you can guess, I do not trust the current incumbent to honour our so called 'Special Relationship'.
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TBH shoving lots of people onto Civilian vessels as a means of getting them close to a target never happens 
or did I imagine BA149 Kuwait 1990.....
or did I imagine BA149 Kuwait 1990.....Be prepared for everything, and surprised by nothing. That would be the ideal philosophy of those that are tasked with protecting those islands.
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The helpfull Stacker said: "...have some quite useful ground-based radar." 
Jabba TG12 said:
"On unmanned sites subject to known limitations. And, given how often hardware limitations on the older now superceded platforms in the 80's and 90's used to leave holes, the lack of a permanently assigned Area Air Defence DDG potentially exacerbates the situation."
Politely suggest you do your homwork before posting...
Jabba TG12 said:
"On unmanned sites subject to known limitations. And, given how often hardware limitations on the older now superceded platforms in the 80's and 90's used to leave holes, the lack of a permanently assigned Area Air Defence DDG potentially exacerbates the situation."
Politely suggest you do your homwork before posting...
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Quote:
"Do you get off on this claptrap? "
No - do you get off on being a short sighted fool?
A short sighted fool with several hundred hours operating out of ASI and who wears a Falklands medal. A short sighted fool with a Masters Degree in International Relations. A short sighted fool who has studied and taught military doctrine and tactics...and a short sighted fool who has commanded men and machines all over the globe.
You my friend are embarrasing yourself. Best stick to face thingy
"Do you get off on this claptrap? "
No - do you get off on being a short sighted fool?
A short sighted fool with several hundred hours operating out of ASI and who wears a Falklands medal. A short sighted fool with a Masters Degree in International Relations. A short sighted fool who has studied and taught military doctrine and tactics...and a short sighted fool who has commanded men and machines all over the globe.
You my friend are embarrasing yourself. Best stick to face thingy
Perhaps with your Masters in international relations you can get on topic and indulge us with your views on Argentina's intentions for the Falklands? I don't have a Masters, but I did live in Argentina so will be really interested in your informed opinion.
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Is she trying to be another Evita ?
It would be highly embarrassing for the Argies if they did try something
and then got kicked in the teeth again, especially if it escalated and a few
bits of equipment on some of the air bases ended up in pieces. Maybe if
they do try something the UK shouldn't hold back this time and should
try to destroy all the equipment the Argy Armed forces have even if it
is on home soil or in port.
And they could drop of the Falkland Islander who just became an Argy
to live with Vortex
.
It would be highly embarrassing for the Argies if they did try something
and then got kicked in the teeth again, especially if it escalated and a few
bits of equipment on some of the air bases ended up in pieces. Maybe if
they do try something the UK shouldn't hold back this time and should
try to destroy all the equipment the Argy Armed forces have even if it
is on home soil or in port.
And they could drop of the Falkland Islander who just became an Argy
to live with Vortex
.
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AFAIK the guy who has changed nationality only did it to be closer to his children by an Argentinian woman, and the fact that the Argies made it so difficult for him to do so with a UK passport. The Arg. Government have spun this into some kind of coup, when they have actually forced his hand into abandoning (and upsetting) his home islands.
Spin wins again.....
Spin wins again.....
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RichieD:
Equally respectfully, there is only so much homework I can do from 8000 miles away and having been out of the services for 12 years, although still reasonably close to the air defence world until a few months ago.
The 101's do have limitations. The AR3D's in the 80's and 90's also had quite notable limitations, I know. I remember being sat in a 259 cabin for long enough (weeks at a time) because the AR3D was shagged.
The T42 roulement for FI is shared with the caribbean guardship, IIRC, which is coming to an end. There arent many 42's left, and the 45's I dont think have been sent on this roulement yet, although I would happily stand corrected. Any other boat in the area, again though I'll happily stand corrected is not going to have the radar picquet/area air defence capability of a 42.
I'll gladly admit to a degree of speculation and that my homework my be somewhat out of date, but I know what I saw on my often and frequent tours on those sites. I went there often enough.
Equally respectfully, there is only so much homework I can do from 8000 miles away and having been out of the services for 12 years, although still reasonably close to the air defence world until a few months ago.
The 101's do have limitations. The AR3D's in the 80's and 90's also had quite notable limitations, I know. I remember being sat in a 259 cabin for long enough (weeks at a time) because the AR3D was shagged.
The T42 roulement for FI is shared with the caribbean guardship, IIRC, which is coming to an end. There arent many 42's left, and the 45's I dont think have been sent on this roulement yet, although I would happily stand corrected. Any other boat in the area, again though I'll happily stand corrected is not going to have the radar picquet/area air defence capability of a 42.
I'll gladly admit to a degree of speculation and that my homework my be somewhat out of date, but I know what I saw on my often and frequent tours on those sites. I went there often enough.
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As mere mortals, we are not privy to the private conversations between world leaders & who knows what has been said, inferred & assured in private?
But surely if the Obama & the State Dept. hadn't discretely told the UK & Argentina the same message i.e. "We, The US', support peoples right to self determination through the democratic process..." which is commensurate with their line in just about every other recent territorial & political dispute, we would have seen the signs.
Whether it was on the front page of the daily editions of Clarin in downtown BA, or a token, discrete bolstering of CBFFI's in-theatre assets & capabilities, the signs would be there for all to see. But what do we see? Griselda of The Terrahawks making nothing than attacks on the UK's colonial demise & CMTCD doing nothing about it.
And if the self determination debate makes it as far as the UN, with the Kirschner regime making overtures about forcing out imperialistic, colonial forces, then surely they'd know that opens the way for indigenous peoples such as the Atacaman, Fuegian, Patagonan et al to demand their right to self determination under the same motion. Mass demos down Florida Street & in the Parque Colon, I think.
But I bet the Strategy Planners on both sides have noticed one fact that's as obvious as a dog's lipstick. If it looks as though the Argies are assembling a force in Puerto Belgrano or anywhere else & the decision was taken to quit Afghan' & move troops the Falklands very promptly, & you draw a great circle track between the two places, the aforementioned small lump of lava is only a couple of hundred miles off track. In fact, looking at Google Earth, the track takes it right over most of the African countries we've just pledged all that lovely aid to.
For the time being, the Argies will continue to test, probe, sabre rattle, pontificate & cry foul knowing full well we are stretched to the limit. But they also know we went to war once already over this collection of rocks & sheep farmers. And we will do it again. After all if our brave, selfless, underpaid, under equipped, under valued, men & women HAD to fight anywhere on this planet where would the electorate demand they do it? In the poppy fields of Helmand or for safety, security & rights of democratic native English speaking subjects, sharing the same thoughts, ideology, values & Head of State?
Personally, I'd tempt the Argies into trying to make a grab for the Islands with another Astute or two down there tailing any invasion force. The minute they cross the EZ, I'd give the order to sink the transports & Carrier & pound the hell out of them all the way back home. I would only call off the hounds when the Argies agreed to accept the right of the Islanders to determine their own future & that it is NEVER questioned again.
Discuss.
As mere mortals, we are not privy to the private conversations between world leaders & who knows what has been said, inferred & assured in private?
But surely if the Obama & the State Dept. hadn't discretely told the UK & Argentina the same message i.e. "We, The US', support peoples right to self determination through the democratic process..." which is commensurate with their line in just about every other recent territorial & political dispute, we would have seen the signs.
Whether it was on the front page of the daily editions of Clarin in downtown BA, or a token, discrete bolstering of CBFFI's in-theatre assets & capabilities, the signs would be there for all to see. But what do we see? Griselda of The Terrahawks making nothing than attacks on the UK's colonial demise & CMTCD doing nothing about it.
And if the self determination debate makes it as far as the UN, with the Kirschner regime making overtures about forcing out imperialistic, colonial forces, then surely they'd know that opens the way for indigenous peoples such as the Atacaman, Fuegian, Patagonan et al to demand their right to self determination under the same motion. Mass demos down Florida Street & in the Parque Colon, I think.
But I bet the Strategy Planners on both sides have noticed one fact that's as obvious as a dog's lipstick. If it looks as though the Argies are assembling a force in Puerto Belgrano or anywhere else & the decision was taken to quit Afghan' & move troops the Falklands very promptly, & you draw a great circle track between the two places, the aforementioned small lump of lava is only a couple of hundred miles off track. In fact, looking at Google Earth, the track takes it right over most of the African countries we've just pledged all that lovely aid to.
For the time being, the Argies will continue to test, probe, sabre rattle, pontificate & cry foul knowing full well we are stretched to the limit. But they also know we went to war once already over this collection of rocks & sheep farmers. And we will do it again. After all if our brave, selfless, underpaid, under equipped, under valued, men & women HAD to fight anywhere on this planet where would the electorate demand they do it? In the poppy fields of Helmand or for safety, security & rights of democratic native English speaking subjects, sharing the same thoughts, ideology, values & Head of State?
Personally, I'd tempt the Argies into trying to make a grab for the Islands with another Astute or two down there tailing any invasion force. The minute they cross the EZ, I'd give the order to sink the transports & Carrier & pound the hell out of them all the way back home. I would only call off the hounds when the Argies agreed to accept the right of the Islanders to determine their own future & that it is NEVER questioned again.
Discuss.
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Unashamedly cross posted from RockNet...
The MoD today announced plans for a huge, heavily fortified timeshare facility, overlooking the beaches and minefields of the popular Falkland Islands. The islands have never been so sought-after, and the British military are keen to promote its facilities to retiring members of the armed forces.
“The new facilities are bound to be popular, the owners will be able to look straight out to sea. In fact, the lease agreement makes it compulsory, for a minimum of 4 hours a day”, explained Vice-Admiral Daley. “If they do spot anything suspicious, they should ring this siren.”
The resort features some sheltered housing, for the more infirm retirees. “It’s some of the most sheltered accommodation we’ve ever built: up to 8 foot thick in places. A warden is on-hand at all times, to assist with household tasks, shopping or ship identification. And they all feature security doors and windows, that can resist attack for up to 3 days”.
There are sports to keep the residents active, from small-bore pistol shooting to large-bore anti-aircraft drilling. “Games consoles such as the Wii are well-known for keeping the elderly sharp. They really love playing Tour of Duty and Medal of Honor”. The site features low-level bird tables to feed the penguins, a golf course with plenty of bunkers and pedalos are available for hire, with very low radar signatures.
Admiral Daley is hoping to encourage retired servicemen from other friendly nations. “we’re building some ‘flat top’ ferries jointly with the French, but it’s a little problematic. The British contingent complain about the food, and the French keep surrendering to oil rigs.”
“The new facilities are bound to be popular, the owners will be able to look straight out to sea. In fact, the lease agreement makes it compulsory, for a minimum of 4 hours a day”, explained Vice-Admiral Daley. “If they do spot anything suspicious, they should ring this siren.”
The resort features some sheltered housing, for the more infirm retirees. “It’s some of the most sheltered accommodation we’ve ever built: up to 8 foot thick in places. A warden is on-hand at all times, to assist with household tasks, shopping or ship identification. And they all feature security doors and windows, that can resist attack for up to 3 days”.
There are sports to keep the residents active, from small-bore pistol shooting to large-bore anti-aircraft drilling. “Games consoles such as the Wii are well-known for keeping the elderly sharp. They really love playing Tour of Duty and Medal of Honor”. The site features low-level bird tables to feed the penguins, a golf course with plenty of bunkers and pedalos are available for hire, with very low radar signatures.
Admiral Daley is hoping to encourage retired servicemen from other friendly nations. “we’re building some ‘flat top’ ferries jointly with the French, but it’s a little problematic. The British contingent complain about the food, and the French keep surrendering to oil rigs.”