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Old 28th October 2009, 15:44   #1 (permalink)
 
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What's good about the RAF at the moment?

At a time when the service is taking a bashing for all sorts of things and from all directions, could I ask those that are left in, 'What's good aboutr the RAF at the moment?' - assuming of course that there MUST be something good...surely?

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Old 28th October 2009, 16:03   #2 (permalink)
 
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Flying. Without a doubt. Couldn't do something with as much fun, and be paid for it, elsewhere.

The people. Read post 2 on the Remembrance Day 2009 thread. It may say soldier but it could equally be airman. You do not, and can not, get such unswerving loyalty anywhere in 'the outside world'. It may not seem it at times but the enemy are not the staff officers at High Wycombe / Main Building etc.

The fact that, finally, many of our leaders (even at 2*/3*) are experienced in the modern way of conducting warfare. Sure we might still be a bit top heavy (and the new CAS has less (proper) medals than most junior airmen) but we have people in place who are still in touch with the front line and are not cold war warriors stuck in the past. More importantly, the good guys seem to be getting put into places of influence.

Yes, there are things that are bad, frustrating and can get on your t1ts. But if it was that bad why hasn't every one walked with their feet and why is recruiting so buoyant (well, up until it was stopped that is). And its not because of the economy - the jobs are there if you look hard enough.

What would make it even better - more money for where its needed (rather than robbed from Peter to pay Paul) and less in-Service and inter-Service fighting (from which only the government can gain from). And less armchair Air-Marshals!

PS - don't tar the whole Service because of the behaviour of, at most, half a dozen individuals. The H-C report has clearly stated where the 'buck' stopped. The Catterick crash inquest has also made it quite clear, albeit without saying so in so many words, where the finger of blame should be pointed.
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Old 28th October 2009, 16:53   #3 (permalink)
 
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The people. Read post 2 on the Remembrance Day 2009 thread. It may say soldier but it could equally be airman. You do not, and can not, get such unswerving loyalty anywhere in 'the outside world'.
I've read the post you refer to and it's good to have it confirmed by you that this has not changed. You're own post is also a boost having read so much doom and gloom elsewhere
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Old 28th October 2009, 17:09   #4 (permalink)
 
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What's good about the RAF...

Being in it for a start.

Plenty of poo on the outside, especially if you are a pilot looking for a job.
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Old 28th October 2009, 17:26   #5 (permalink)
 
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Thumbs up

The opportunity to see the world from a completely different perspective.

Working with people who are prepared to dig in to the reserves and go that bit further when the chips are down and the conditions are pretty grim.

The top level banter.
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Old 28th October 2009, 17:32   #6 (permalink)
 
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The top level banter.
Recce's improving then Wizard?
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Old 28th October 2009, 17:33   #7 (permalink)
 
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Don't forget the great uniform too!!!!
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Old 28th October 2009, 17:42   #8 (permalink)
 
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Well,

All my family have been in it,.... one died whilst fighting in it,
they have some deeds behind them that many mere mortals will never, ever again be able to emulate.... They saved Gt Britain when the rest had given us up,... they frightened the crap out of many bad guys, .. and are admired all over the World for many reasons.

If thats not enough, then we should all be better leaving our Jobs when Comrade Brown and co leave theirs next May or June!!

Chest out, Shoulders back, face up to change ............or walk!!

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Old 28th October 2009, 19:10   #9 (permalink)
 
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What is good about the RAF at the minute.....

The sheer fact they're leaving JHC Aldergrove is good enough for most
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Old 28th October 2009, 20:15   #10 (permalink)
 
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Too true. Leave the place to the REMFs and stay behinds. They are welcome.
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Old 28th October 2009, 22:15   #11 (permalink)
 
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dare i say "typhoon"
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Old 28th October 2009, 22:39   #12 (permalink)
 
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What's good about...

The same two things that have been good about it since the start.

The flying and the people.

I joined in 1973 at 16 and a half and left after less than 5 years.

I still consider the Royal Air Force to have shaped me. I miss some of it and I'm glad to have left some behind. I still attend some mess functions, I still fly from RAF Airfields and I am still a better person for having served in the RAF.

We all took an oath, and we all lasted our own amount of time before deciding we'd had enough.

My wife and I have cheerfully given the RAF our firstborn, and while He serves in a very different aiforce from mine, albeit doing the same job, he loves it as much as I did. As I meet more of the people he works with I see reflections of the people I worked with, indeed sometimes it is actually the same people!

Occasionally I think that as I slide down the banister of life, the RAF has been a skelf, but in my heart I know I'd never have been so far up the stairs without it.

On Monday this week I took my 15 year old son and my 84 year old mother for a jolly around Central Scotland. Under no circumstances can I imagine me having been able to do that had I not gone from High School to Swinderby.
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Old 29th October 2009, 00:10   #13 (permalink)
 
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Don't forget the great uniform too!!!!
Mmm you gotta love belly button fluff blue
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Old 29th October 2009, 00:36   #14 (permalink)
 
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The Banter

There is no where better in the world for banter - ! it just does not get any better! Never did figure out why aircrew wear blue jumpers with wings when its 85 degrees outside....?
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Old 29th October 2009, 02:59   #15 (permalink)
 
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....because we can....!!!
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Old 29th October 2009, 19:04   #16 (permalink)
 
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Same reason the 'bomb Gods' do too!!
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Old 29th October 2009, 19:07   #17 (permalink)
 
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What's good about the RAF?

Me. Edited to add over 8 more letters.
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Old 29th October 2009, 19:37   #18 (permalink)
 
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The Pay....it is scary how really hard you have to work for the same package outside and how little security you have and really, really crap TACOS
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Old 29th October 2009, 20:06   #19 (permalink)
 
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I agree, the Mexican food outside is rubbish.
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Old 29th October 2009, 20:18   #20 (permalink)
 
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There is no where better in the world for banter - ! it just does not get any better! Never did figure out why aircrew wear blue jumpers with wings when its 85 degrees outside....?
Because there's no place on a shirt for your wings.


I know most of us knew that anyway, but some of the civvy readers might have wondered.
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