Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Harriers with people pods ?

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Harriers with people pods ?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 8th Aug 2009, 08:35
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 2,089
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Harriers with people pods ?

Does anyone have any knowledge of this program. I believe the concept was to carry a special forces type in a prone position 'people pod' one on each wing ?

Was this ever actually done ?
stilton is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 09:23
  #2 (permalink)  

Yes, Him
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: West Sussex, UK
Posts: 2,689
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It was a barking mad proposal but never trialed AFAIK. Late 1980s I think.
Gainesy is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 09:46
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sandhurst
Age: 50
Posts: 202
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think the proposal failed when they realised that members of the special forces are by necessity pretty intelligent people, thus there were no volunteers dumb enough to trial it.

Strangely....... the Para's thought that it was a brilliant idea.
GPMG is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 11:09
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Europe
Posts: 661
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It was trailed - not sure with anyone in it.

Avpro Exint pod on GR7 at Boscombe was one flavour - there was another variant too.

Link says FA2 but with all those pylons it must be a plastic one.

UK test fits Avpro Exint pod on Harrier-23/09/1998-Flight International
JFZ90 is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 11:25
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 546
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
I remember seeing illustrations for pax pods in the 80's while on 4 Sqdn & thought at the time it was all a bit 'boys own'.
woptb is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 11:29
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 1,371
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
You'd want the 'jettison stores' switches wire locked to safe ....
Wrathmonk is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 11:41
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: bored
Posts: 532
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It was intended for people exfiltration, rather than infiltration.

SIS have exfil plans for every overseas agent. Whilst most exfil plans are little more than walking onto a commercial ailiner, some are very involved and complex, depending on the local situation.
CirrusF is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 12:44
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Christchurch
Age: 70
Posts: 148
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I don't think that this was a concept just cooked up for Harriers.
When I was a lad, I spent many hours looking through my dad's vast
collection of 1940s (and 50s) science and aviation magazines and
distinctly recall seeing such scheme being mooted then for medivac
purposes (probably in WWII using mustangs and thunderbolts),
complete with perspex dome to scare the wits out of the poor
passenger.
I didn't recall seeing any followup story until now...
LurkerBelow is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 15:43
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: UK
Age: 50
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
complete with perspex dome to scare the wits out of the poor
passenger.
What about the roll rate and associated checks at the end of the roll, while slug 12 feet off the roll axis...

Let's hope it's padded inside!

iX
ix_touring is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 15:46
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: UK
Age: 65
Posts: 125
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Mosquito bombays were used during WW2 to move people between Sweden and UK, so the concept isn't that new!

http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...osquitoes.html
Daf Hucker is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 16:53
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: at the end of the bar
Posts: 484
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Germans had a similar idea in WW2 with Ju87s
XV277 is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 17:47
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: 1 Dunghill Mansions, Putney
Posts: 1,797
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
More on EXINT and the similar U.S. GRIER concept at Secret Projects.

I/C
Ian Corrigible is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 19:26
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: SE PA
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I remember many years ago, two A-4s westbound for the Wednesday night O'Club at Miramar stopping at NAS Dallas. One A-4 broke with the pilot of the broken A-4 climbing into the other A-4s blivet for the rest of the trip to NKX. The blivet was an old fuel tank hung on an external station and used to carry baggage.
Tomcatvf51 is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 19:45
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 794
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Barking idea...the boffins will no doubt be suggesting soon that one could 'karabiner' oneself to the side of an Apache and sit on the stubs!

From mad ideas come good ones...
gijoe is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 21:13
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Crawley
Posts: 153
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Gatwick Aviation has one of these, or maybe the only on display along with a mockup sales brochure (which shows it being carried by a Harrier) in our engine unit. Not a perspex nose though, it swings open to allow the occupant to get in and out. Form factor is much like the JP233? munition

Peter Mills
Gatwick Aviation Museum
pmills575 is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 22:08
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 1,771
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
In the world of special forces etc, doesn't seem QUITE so daft to me, if surrounded by approaching naughty people who wanted to barbecue me, I'd certainly give it a go, and I'd be very surprised if the kit is not still on someone's ' just in case ' shelf.

In the layout diagram I saw, pretty sure there were two people per pod, head to toe, with oxygen masks.
Double Zero is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2009, 22:19
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Overseas
Posts: 446
Received 9 Likes on 4 Posts
If I remember correctly it was only the pods designed for the FA2 that were for 2 people. They were head to head, and the masks were made of leather..........
LateArmLive is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2009, 01:43
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Here
Posts: 963
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Atomic scientist

Rather famously, Neils Bohr was transported from Sweden (I think - he was Danish) to the UK in the bomb bay of a Mosquito during the war. I understand that he passed out due to an oxegen supply malfunction, however the pilot noticed that Neils was not responding to the intercom and reduced altitude, thereby saving his life. Neils Bohr was a Physicist and went on to contribute substantially to the Atomic bomb project in the USA. If in doubt try google - bound to be plenty of good hits.

Niels Bohr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
jimjim1 is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2009, 03:03
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: by the Great Salt Lake, USA
Posts: 1,542
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The idea of personnel pods slung on underwing hardpoints is still active:
PPT Slide 1


Originally Posted by gijoe
Barking idea...the boffins will no doubt be suggesting soon that one could 'karabiner' oneself to the side of an Apache and sit on the stubs!
Like this?
Rescue on the Skid of a Cobra


December 9, 1968
There is room for only two passengers inside a Cobra, but in emergency situations, others may ride on the ammo bay doors on either side of the gunship.
Since Johnson was “extremely pale from the loss of blood and close to a state of shock,” Schmidt vacated his pilot’s seat for Johnson. Schmidt rode on the right ammo bay door while Newman and Nieves rode the other.
“It was a bit nose-heavy, but the torque looked all right, so we took off,” said Jackson.
The three men weathered the eight-minute flight back to Cu Chi entirely outside the aircraft, their feet on the skids.
There are several methods of performing an emergency evacuation with a Cobra, but the 3d Squadron, 17th Air Cav. has trained with the tried and true ammo-bay-door method for such emergencies.
And a recent pic of combat troops practicing riding a snake:
GreenKnight121 is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2009, 03:48
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sale, Australia
Age: 80
Posts: 3,832
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Not a new idea. P-38s in the Pacific WWII carried personnel in pods attached to the underwing racks. Also during WWII the Brits experimented with live drops from a Fairey Barracuda which carried two paras per pod mounted beneath each wing. Known as "Cuda floats" or "Cuda containers". Not used operationally.
Brian Abraham is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.