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Old 31st Jul 2007, 08:31
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F-35B & Paveway IV

Raytheon press release:

Raytheon awarded contract for Paveway IV Weapon Integration on F-35 Lightning II
(2007-07-30) By: Raytheon Systems Limited

Raytheon Systems Limited (RSL) has been awarded a contract to support the integration and flight trials of the Paveway IV new generation guided weapon on to the Short Take-Off and Vertical Landing (STOVL) version of the F-35 Lightning II aircraft, also known as the Joint Strike Fighter.The contract is valued at £24 million.

The UK is currently one of six European nations that are planning to take delivery of the F-35 aircraft. The integration of the RSL developed Paveway IV onto the F-35B will ensure that the UK has an autonomous weapon solution for this platform.

Tobin Touchstone, Director of Precision Systems at RSL said, ''This is a significant opportunity for RSL to further develop its aircraft integration portfolio and place RSL's Precision Systems business as one of the U.K.'s centres of excellence for this type of activity. Through technology reachback to the U.S. RSL, along with its Paveway IV team members, has grown significantly the U.K.'s indigenous capability in precision guided weapons.''

The integration programme will focus on providing documentation, input to the development of the aircraft systems and flight clearance of the weapon on to the aircraft. The latter part of the programme will concentrate on support to flight trials and certification. In addition to the general support activities, RSL will also be providing BAE Systems with the required trials hardware.

Raytheon Missile Systems (RMS) in Tucson, Arizona, will supply the Enhanced Computer Control Group (ECCGs) guidance sections, Telemetry sub-systems, Instrumentation, Test Equipment and associated support.

The F-35B will be the world's first short take-off and vertical landing aircraft capable of operating routinely at supersonic speeds. It also will be the world¿s first stealthy STOVL aircraft. The U.S. Marine Corps, the U.K.'s Royal Air Force and Royal Navy, and the Italian Navy all plan to operate the F-35B.
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Will BAE Systems add a widgett to the Bomb for the UK's air vehicles 'to make it better' at a cost of 1 millon per Bomb?
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In BAE's (limited) defence I think the MoD normally requests a widget added at £500k.

BAE then fail to carry out the work but still charge £1 million at which point the MoD requests that the widget is removed at further cost, whereapon deciding that widget is still required. Widget survives in service for 2 years before being sold to a developing nation for a tenner.
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The F-35B will be the world's first short take-off and vertical landing aircraft capable of operating routinely at supersonic speeds.

With PW4, Dave B will go to war with an offensive load equivalent to a Hurricane, unless you want to be non-LO without active jamming...
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Who speaks like this ?

''This is a significant opportunity for RSL to further develop its aircraft integration portfolio and place RSL's Precision Systems business as one of the U.K.'s centres of excellence for this type of activity. Through technology reachback to the U.S. RSL, along with its Paveway IV team members, has grown significantly the U.K.'s indigenous capability in precision guided weapons.''


Did this man really say this ?
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The F-35B will be the world's first short take-off and vertical landing aircraft capable of operating routinely at supersonic speeds.

And having spent many, many years in the system, I've been around the buoy, several times, but, I would lay a decent wager that our one, in the UK, will just fall short of what the others can do! We'll be sold down the line......., again. Before the "incoming", just remember this came from a real old scroat who's been there before, seen it, smelt it, felt it, and most likely....well, you know. Best I don't ask you to preserve this post for posterity! I'll be lon........g gone, before the MP for what's it's name asks " would the Minister for Defiance confirm whether the replacement for all the Harriers (inc variants) does the job we've paid for"?

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LO - like your subtle reply. Never in service, but could add:

Mach 2.04...

but not really very useful as the French found

or this...

only Mach 1.14 this time from the germans, but notable for being displayed in the Deutscher Musuem in Munich, proudly listed as the "worlds only supersonic VSTOL aircraft".
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I hope PW IV makes the F35B less ugly - it stands a good chance of winning the all-time ugliest aircraft at the moment.

In my experience if it looks right it flies right - hope I'm wrong.
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''This is a significant opportunity for RSL to further develop its aircraft integration portfolio and place RSL's Precision Systems business as one of the U.K.'s centres of excellence for this type of activity. Through technology reachback to the U.S. RSL, along with its Paveway IV team members, has grown significantly the U.K.'s indigenous capability in precision guided weapons.''


Did this man really say this ?
MM - the more frightening thing would be if he understood what he said...
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Low Observable - what exactly has the F-35B done to you?

With PW4, Dave B will go to war with an offensive load equivalent to a Hurricane, unless you want to be non-LO without active jamming... Today 15:51

Not true. Way off. Wrong.

Can't give the details, but the UK commitment to the F-35B is not based on a mass outbreak of stupidity in the MoD. I'm not saying 'trust them blindly', but can't you give the aircraft an even break?

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''This is a significant opportunity for RSL to further develop its aircraft integration portfolio and place RSL's Precision Systems business as one of the U.K.'s centres of excellence for this type of activity. Through technology reachback to the U.S. RSL, along with its Paveway IV team members, has grown significantly the U.K.'s indigenous capability in precision guided weapons.''


Did this man really say this ?
Unfortunately, he probably did, or more likely had some PR flunky write it for him. This is a fairly typical example of a corporate press release these days, at least in North America. I find this new usage of the verb "to grow" particularly irritating.

And what's "technology reachback" - piston engines and biplane wings for smart bombs, perhaps?
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Soddim....did you not see the boeing competitor!?
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Suspect the man said it, the PR hadn't the foggiest what it meant, and was forced as a result to put it in verbatim.

Any PRO who writes like that themselves should be shot.
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I42 - 'technology reachback' = product support from the US manufacturer... I.e. - point at which UK based team scratches head, gets on phone/e-mail and says 'well, we can't think how to get this working. Any ideas from across the pond, boys?'
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Engines,
Outbreak of cattiness is involuntary response to FifthGenerationTM Overdose Syndrome.
I count an internal capacity of 2 x 500 pound PW4s. Clearly more accurate than the 500 pounders on the Hurricane, but the same size. As far as I know the 1000-pound LGB doesn't fit on the B, and the UK is not buying the 1000 lb JDAM or, yet, the SDB.
And I did not even mention that the Hurricane had between four and twelve more internal guns!
And as for active EW I stand ready to be enlightened.
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Yes, pba-target, I did. Maybe we could have done worse!

Do hope the matelos don't mind flying ugly aorcarft!
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The F-35 is ugly?

What would you have said if the other guy had won?

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Originally Posted by soddim
Do hope the matelos don't mind flying ugly aorcarft! (sic)
Well, they flew the sea harrier for long enough...
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TM MFs

LoObz

You are wilfully ignoring the efforts of thousands of trademark lawyers and should be ashamed of yourself.

You know full well that it's '5th Generation' TM – and Paveway TM, for that matter.

But thank you for not mentioning that PIV still has problems going BNAG at the right time (and in the right place)...or that a 500 lb weapon has become almost useless for CAS when the next street over is full of kids or market shoppers.

So hurrah for RAF decision making – before too long it will have one type of guided bomb that it probably can't use – but the jets can hardly carry any in the first place, so it's another victory for common sense.

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Erm, actually, the PWIV is really quite a good weapon (or will be soon).
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