Airbus Working With EK on New Order for Flagship A380

[Talparc]

789 the perfect aircraft for flights to India!
Sure you guys will love it, smells like curry.

[Hansol]

We seem to be seeing the resizing of FZ and EK with them ultimately being brought under one brand. Not sure what that will mean for T+C's

[Schnowzer]

Originally Posted by Hansol

We seem to be seeing the resizing of FZ and EK with them ultimately being brought under one brand. Not sure what that will mean for T+C's

That's a pretty big leap, what evidence is there for that opinion?

[CaptainProp]

“Not sure what that will mean for T+C's”

Same as always in the Middle East and Europe, they go down.

[KippaLippa]

Originally Posted by Hansol

.....Not sure what that will mean for T+C's

hahahhaha, they'll compare every single aspect in the two airlines, get the worse, take some 1% to 10% off it, and that will be the new one for the big merged company

[The Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Schnowzer

That's a pretty big leap, what evidence is there for that opinion?

The naivety you display is laughable, have you never been part of, or even know what happens during a merger?

Make no mistake, this is a merger despite what HH wrote.

It's they only thing that makes financial sense.

[Emma Royds]

The removal of the FlyDubai brand in its entirety creates the very same void, that the company was formed to fill in the first place. I can't see the local hierarchy being comfortable, with witnessing one of the other budget operators from the Gulf, successfully establishing themselves in Dubai. Especially so if the airline is not from the UAE.

National pride normally always wins over any potential financial gain in this part of the world.

[Hansol]

I don't think we can describe FZ as a budget carrier. They have business class (with lie flat beds now), in flight entertainment etc etc. As their offering has moved up EK's is set to move down, to a point where they will fit very nicely.

The creation of FZ was not to fill a void, it was because a very successful "true" LCC was operating out of Sharjah.

[Emma Royds]

I know we are moving off at a tangent here but worth highlighting that Air Arabia and Emirates serve markets at the opposite ends of the spectrum. FlyDubai was set up to prevent the likes of Jazeera beating them to it in Dubai. Before FlyDubai was even thought of, it was obvious that DXB was facing growth issues in the future and filling slots with narrow bodies, is never conducive for achieving the optimum growth in terms of passenger numbers.

[Kobus Dune]

Originally Posted by Commander Taco

As reported in Flight International 19 September, Teal Group’s Richard Aboulafia had this to say about the A380:
...

But who the hell is Richard Aboulalafia ?

Just did a Google of "Teal Group " :

Teal Group Corporation, an aerospace and defense consulting company, provides market analysis and forecasting services for the aerospace and defense sector.

Based in Virginia, USA - to comment Airbus products ? do you need more ? and we have to listen to that sort of people ( half a dozen retired guys in a rented office ? with money coming from US industry to keep them afloat?) In fact, I'm going to find a couple of colleagues and friends, and we will make our own "consulting firm ", creating the buzz about ourselves...

Guys, please stop swallowing all of that.

By the way, today the A 350-1000 got double EASA and FAA certification, in a record time. Beautiful pictures in the link below.

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press...ication--.html

[nolimitholdem]

"Guys, please stop swallowing all of that. Instead, swallow this."

Classic!

[Mr Mac]

IRONBUT57
Its taken a while to come back to you re the 380. You may have a point with the economy of a twin in comparison with 4 and therefore fuel burn, but my point was about the passenger experience which far outstrips that on offer on the 777 on which ever carrier. Also with regards further orders for the 380 by EK what I would say is that some of your 380 are getting quite worn, and the replacement's( judging by the one I flew out of Man on the lunchtime service on the 17/11) are needed, if they are going to be retained, which given the investment made would seem that they are for the foreseeable future anyway.


As for cost cutting by accountants I have noticed (having flown with you since pre 2000) the accountants axe at work on your services since around 2010, and that is just related to on board food and beverage service. Accountants never seem to run good businesses they need an industry professional in any business who knows what the company does, be it aviation or any other business. They keep the score so to speak, it is for others to make the business a success be it by product and or service. My own sector in construction is currently riddled (in the UK at least) by once large companies being brought low by accountants / Quantity surveyors who have graduated to senior management, which they now seem incapable of actually running the business by making unwise decisions purely based on producing short term figures . Anyway rant over as I am now waiting to board one of your 777 bound for DXB from Cape Town for the long haul home.


Regards
Mr Mac

[glofish]

You may have a point with the economy of a twin in comparison with 4 and therefore fuel burn, but my point was about the passenger experience which far outstrips that on offer on the 777 on which ever carrier

The problem is that not enough slf are ready to pay more for the additional cost of the "outstripping experience"! A flight in a business jet would be even more outstripping, but everyone agrees that it comes at a cost. With the 380 EK, Airbus blinded themselves and the passengers with the assumption that a bar, a shower and additional insulation just came with the plane at no additional cost. Each pound and each square foot costs, dear managers and beancounters, not only employees, that is the hard lesson for your arrogance!

[ironbutt57]

Mr Mac...I dont work there, but did spend time in the industry...outstripping experiences are great, I agree..it's a nicer ride, unfortunately passenger liking, although touted by the airlines in all their adverts, is in fact far down the food chain of importance...

[WB1900]

the a380 becomes an old airplane slowly but shure
it time will go past as new technologies are raising, in 2 years from now nobody will take notice of a 380 as there are new airplanes with fairly more advance technology considering the a380 an old fart.
this advantage will not last forever no matter what u put in
TV and inflight internet becoming standard with the new deliveries of A350,B787, even 737max and A320 Neo
SAT COM is not an advanced TEC anymore as provider araise on every corner. Even SAT Phones for private consumers become considerable cheaper in the last recent years.
so do u still think that EK has an advantage just because they offer inflight internet


WAKE UP and look around you / this is a normal good, every on has that these days nothing special anymore.

[Joker11]

Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes

Joker 11 - I hope you've got some ketchup to make your hat taste better!

No need for ketchup anymore. 787 it is!

[Plank Cap]

John Deere - improved 1st class package

Now that the 1st class tractor passengers can look forward to the new fully enclosed suites, announced with great fanfare at the DXB airshow, when might the poor old 380 first class pax hope to be offered something similar? Or has the money run out for cabin upgrades on a certain fleet?

Surely one can't have the lowly Boeing aircraft leading the company's product range ....??!!

Jennifer Anniston is not going to be happy.

[777-200LR]

Now that the 1st class tractor passengers can look forward to the new fully enclosed suites, announced with great fanfare at the DXB airshow, when might the poor old 380 first class pax hope to be offered something similar? Or has the money run out for cabin upgrades on a certain fleet?

Surely one can't have the lowly Boeing aircraft leading the company's product range ....??!!

Think of it this way, the new 777s went from 8 suites to 6 suites (25% reduction). If the A380 were to do the same, the four suites along the windows would likely have to be reduced to 3 on each side due to the size of the newer suites, and then the middle row of 6 suites would be reduced to 3. That would mean a total of 9 Suites from the previous 14 suites (36% reduction). If weight is not a factor, it will come down to the famous word 'Yield' and what that reduction would mean for the Airbus vs Boeing, per seat, per mile, per kg of fuel, per day, 365 days a year......I'd rather leave that to PhD bean counters

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

I think you will find the suites only fitted on new deliveries for now. Retrofit would cost a fortune. Plus the loss of revenue. Maybe it will happen, but certainly not quickly. Mind, there are 10+ tractors stored at DWC, so maybe they will use the opportunity to do retrofits, or maybe not.

SyB

[fatbus]

That's great! Does that mean the west coast gets them?