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Old 13th Sep 2017, 17:23   #1 (permalink)
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Jobs on 14 days off / 14 days on basis

I am searching for a job on a 14 days on / 14 days off basis.
Is there any carrier in the middle east (or other regions) looking for experienced Captains on Boeing widebody aircrafts that offers this roster option ?

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Old 13th Sep 2017, 18:48   #2 (permalink)
 
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Best around here is 20/10, but on Airbus 320 with around €12-16000 per month.
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Best around here is 20/10, but on Airbus 320 with around 12-16000 per month.
Who is that with Mutt?
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Fly A Deal, Saudi.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 09:50   #5 (permalink)
 
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Utter rubbish. Based on 80 hours you will be getting close to 12000 Euros on a 22/11 rotation.
Dont know what Mutt is smoking.
Must be some good S...
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 10:37   #6 (permalink)
 
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Air Arabia was doing some kind of almost commutable roster, don't shoot me if I've got this wrong.

Anybody else know more about this could comment.

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Old 14th Sep 2017, 12:02   #7 (permalink)
 
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Flyadeal offers 14300 usd per month guaranteed ! A320, I saw the 22/11 contract today.
Saudia has 20/10 based in RUH on 330, 777 and maybe 787 soon but I think they're only hiring on 320 at the moment.
Ethiopian, not too far, 20/10 on 777/787 (maybe A350) with a little more money than flyadeal
There are a few more, I'll check and get back

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Old 14th Sep 2017, 13:03   #8 (permalink)
 
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Utter rubbish. Based on 80 hours you will be getting close to 12000 Euros on a 22/11 rotation.
Dont know what Mutt is smoking.
Must be some good S...
Guess that I was smoking the same as Jack330...... TRE's were ones closer to 16....
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 13:16   #9 (permalink)

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Where's FlyNAS with this, they reportedly do 20/10 as well? And little bird sings 15k EUR.

Anyways g00se, I understand that the answer is actually nobody. If you want 50:50 then China 1m/1m or 1-ON/1-UNPAID with the likes of Small Planet.

Someone suggested to me that WOW is 19/12 plus 2 weeks yearly holiday, probably the best commutable to EU.

Another word of caution with 20/10, it is 121 days OFF per year. The EU directive on aviation work hours sets the minimum as 96 days off + 4 wks holidays = 124.


No problems selling one-self for a price and a commuting contract, just be aware what you'd be giving away. 20/10 NET is more workdays than a full-time, daily job with 52 weekends and 20x holidays per year (in addition 3-6 bank holidays are reasonable on top of that).

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Old 14th Sep 2017, 16:24   #10 (permalink)
 
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Ethiopian is currently a 21/9 rotation. Don't belive what the recruiters say. 737 is $7000/month, 777/787 is $9000/month. You can make a little more if you fly overtime.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 17:55   #11 (permalink)
 
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The EU directive on aviation work hours sets the minimum as 96 days off + 4 wks holidays
Are you sure about this? There is no such thing as a day off under EASA FTL. The UK WTD has 96.
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I am searching for a job on a 14 days on / 14 days off basis.
That's known as part time
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 19:13   #13 (permalink)
 
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Utter rubbish. Based on 80 hours you will be getting close to 12000 Euros on a 22/11 rotation.
Dont know what Mutt is smoking.
Must be some good S...
Not even for TREs?? Mutt wasn't a million miles away!
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 18:56   #14 (permalink)

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COUNCIL DIRECTIVE 2000/79/EC of 27 November 2000
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...0L0079&from=EN

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Originally Posted by Clause 3
1. Mobile staff in civil aviation are entitled to paid annual leave of at least four weeks, in accordance with the conditions for entitlement to, and granting of, such leave laid down by national legislation and/or practice.
2. The minimum period of paid annual leave may not be replaced by an allowance in lieu, except where the employment relationship is terminated.
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Originally Posted by Clause 9
Without prejudice to Clause 3, mobile staff in civil aviation shall be given days free of all duty and standby, which are notified in advance, as follows:
(a) at least seven local days in each calendar month, which may include any rest periods required by law; and
(b) at least 96 local days in each calendar year, which may include any rest periods required by law.
With a calendar in hand I found that 1Y = 52 WKS; and
. 52 WKS - 4 annual leave = 48
. 48 WKS * 2 weekend-days = 96.

It seems to me that the 2000/79 prescribes an aggregate of minimum free days combined as
. mandatory 4 weeks, plus
. an equivalent of all the weekends left, which would be the 96.

UK Statutary Instrument 2004 No. 756 "The Civil Aviation (Working Time) Regulations 2004" http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...0040756_en.pdf
has the exact same provisions. The language used in definitions goes a bit further in explaining the scope is for EMPLOYED workers.

I am aware of the EASA FTL sole 96 days requirement. Apologies for the thread drift. https://osha.europa.eu/en/legislatio...ive-2000-79-ec
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Mutt it's 12000 plus housing. nothing more. How many hours they'll fly is still a question mark.
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 07:05   #16 (permalink)
 
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@Flyboy_SG, have you spoken to the SVA (expats) guys who were invited to join as IP's?
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Not sure either are applicable in the ME though?
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 12:13   #18 (permalink)
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@ Mr A from UK. Are you an airline pilot?
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