3 night PPC in a row (2 till 7)
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They don't want to do the stepping back a slot each day because you will be in the 18-30 hr rest period that should be avoided so as to reduce fatigue.......
Shame that doesn't apply to the layovers then where 95% of them are in that 18-30 period...
Shame that doesn't apply to the layovers then where 95% of them are in that 18-30 period...
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Timings were a killer.
I don't doubt that they use the day slots for "learning" but we need a day off between sim 2 and handling sim as zero was learned during that.
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LJ,
I think this is what they call "sarcasm". Its when someone says or writes the opposite of what they mean!
Its a British thing...hard to understand, much in the same way as a Lucas schematic diagram... the english would never give their electrical secrets away in the same way as their humor!
Thank god!!!
I think this is what they call "sarcasm". Its when someone says or writes the opposite of what they mean!
Its a British thing...hard to understand, much in the same way as a Lucas schematic diagram... the english would never give their electrical secrets away in the same way as their humor!
Thank god!!!
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Incredible that this statistics driven airline uses the fact that an increase (or lack thereof) of failures is a measure of the quality of training. How many people fail day three! How many trainers would be anal enough to fail someone on day three?
The point is very little is learnt on day three, or even on day two, at this time of the night. I've noticed guys are so tired they simply want to go home. When I did it myself, I could hardly string a sentence together on the third night.
I guess we actually have to see people fail before anything will be done about it. What a crock of shyte.
The point is very little is learnt on day three, or even on day two, at this time of the night. I've noticed guys are so tired they simply want to go home. When I did it myself, I could hardly string a sentence together on the third night.
I guess we actually have to see people fail before anything will be done about it. What a crock of shyte.
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Agreed, very conveniently the second floor managers look at the failure rate as the yardstick. It's got sod all to do with that. It's how little the trainees learn at that time of the night/morning. That is the point of being there, isn't it...?
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MM surprised me with those comments, basically stating the training output standard is based on failure rates and not the actual quality delivered. Not much support for the effort of his trainers there...
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I think all the training managers should be forced to work 3 nights in row between the hours of 2300 and 0700 each and every month. Just think of how productive they could be without all the usual distractions!
What is bad for the trainee is worse for the instructor. The guy we had last go was destroyed by day 2 and he cared as much as we did. I know they volunteer for the job but they are much more exposed than the average line guy.
What is bad for the trainee is worse for the instructor. The guy we had last go was destroyed by day 2 and he cared as much as we did. I know they volunteer for the job but they are much more exposed than the average line guy.
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We're encouraged constantly to be proactive rather than reactive, yet, the intonation of that newsletter is that unless the failure rates start increasing, we're okay with these slots. I'd call that fairly reactive and the damage it would do to the guys who fail is immeasurable.
I know we fly these times in the real World but the process of ensuring a day off before hand followed with day 3 done at a more civil time isn't difficult to roster....if you really wanted to! I've done it and yes, it is not much fun with disengaged and less motivated students and instructor.
Hardly raising the bar but a sure test of resilience!
Harry
I know we fly these times in the real World but the process of ensuring a day off before hand followed with day 3 done at a more civil time isn't difficult to roster....if you really wanted to! I've done it and yes, it is not much fun with disengaged and less motivated students and instructor.
Hardly raising the bar but a sure test of resilience!
Harry
