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Old 15th Jun 2017, 13:36   #1 (permalink)
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EK 777 bird encounter!!!

A little birdie told me the other day that an Emirates B777 Captain returned to stand because there was a bird perched on the right engine cowling, and made a Tech log entry to the fact.

Engineers replay to clear the entry was "bird flew away".

Is this really true guys??????
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 14:54   #2 (permalink)
 
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Yep! That is true! Happened last week!
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 15:08   #3 (permalink)
 
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Here you go
EK Outter, what kind of professional you are...even if you dislike the report, like I do, there's no reason to publish a document where names are shown. Mods, this needs to be removed. Professionals like you that makes this job a misery!
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Is it really necessary to out our colleagues on operational decisions after the fact when none of us were present at the event? Is it really a good way to promote professionalism and pilot-unity in these hard times?

I wasn't there neither, but consider what you would do if there was a large piece of known F.O.D. on the aircraft, runway, or taxiway. Would you be happy to run the thrust levers up knowing that there would be a good chance for FOD ingestion upon application of power?

Yes, it's a funny thing to snicker about when you read such a logbook entry, but maybe we ought to save such things for private conversations over a beer rather than embarrassing our friends and ourselves in a public forum.
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Not cool ekoutter.
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 15:33   #6 (permalink)

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Reminds me of a day I took over an A/c in KWI. Tech log said '3 cockroaches in flight deck. Two fled and one was executed to death'.
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 17:03   #7 (permalink)
 
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I wasn't there neither, but consider what you would do if there was a large piece of known F.O.D. on the aircraft, runway, or taxiway. Would you be happy to run the thrust levers up knowing that there would be a good chance for FOD ingestion upon application of power?
What if the bird was on top of the fuselage where no passenger nor crew could have seen it? What if this happened at night, or IMC?

I wasn't there but are you suggesting that we delay every take off when you see or are informed of birds either side of the runway or taxiway?
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 17:12   #8 (permalink)
 
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What if the bird was on top of the fuselage where no passenger nor crew could have seen it? What if this happened at night, or IMC?

I wasn't there but are you suggesting that we delay every take off when you see or are informed of birds either side of the runway or taxiway?
I AM suggesting that as each situation is unique and different then we should operate in a responsible, safe and conservative manner in response to the facts we are given.

And after we do that we can show some tact, thoughtfulness, and demonstrate professionalism by refraining from openly calling out our colleagues after the fact especially in situations where we were not present and have no knowledge of the specific circumstances.

We need to look out for each other, as nobody else will. If the OP or EKOUTTER have some problem with how this pilot responded to the facts he was presented, why not directly contact him instead of bullying him in public? Is that behavior more appropriate?
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 17:34   #9 (permalink)
 
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What if the bird was on top of the fuselage where no passenger nor crew could have seen it? What if this happened at night, or IMC?
Sorry to disagree. What if a flat spot or nail is on one of the plane's tyres on your walk around but unfortunately it's where the tyre contacts the tarmac?
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 17:51   #10 (permalink)
 
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I AM suggesting that as each situation is unique and different then we should operate in a responsible, safe and conservative manner in response to the facts we are given.

And after we do that we can show some tact, thoughtfulness, and demonstrate professionalism by refraining from openly calling out our colleagues after the fact especially in situations where we were not present and have no knowledge of the specific circumstances.

We need to look out for each other, as nobody else will. If the OP or EKOUTTER have some problem with how this pilot responded to the facts he was presented, why not directly contact him instead of bullying him in public? Is that behavior more appropriate?
Fair point. I am not one for public naming and shaming
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 17:58   #11 (permalink)
 
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The guy wrote in the tech log there is a report of a bird on the right engine/wing.
So it's pretty obvious why he decided to go back.
But the decision to go back is why some of us bang our heads against the wall , as I'm sure the company are doing ,
When you have a report of ice on the wing ,You don't just run back to the stand . You walk back and check it out . Then make a decision .
This guy is returning to stand from a report . His words in writing . This is shocking.
Using common sense, you might come to the conclusion that this bird will just fly away once we get moving. If people start going back to the stand for this crap then the world of aviation had gone mad.
If that was a sim , guess what - you fail. Anyway a laughable scenario that is beyond the thinking of crazy examiners.
EK has unfortunately bred these types of people through training (checking ) and fear . There is no excuse on earth for this decision in my opinion and what the hell was the other so called pilot doing.
Also a video has surfaced of this dinosaur of a bird . If one went back to see this prehistoric beast , they may have made a more sensible decision. (It was the size of a small pigeon sitting on top of the engine)

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Old 15th Jun 2017, 19:37   #12 (permalink)
 
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paranoia at its finest

Looks like EK managed to finally destroy Airmanship.
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 19:41   #13 (permalink)
 
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EK has unfortunately bred these types of people through training (checking ) and fear . There is no excuse on earth for this decision in my opinion and what the hell was the other so called pilot doing.
And that Ladies and Gentlemen sums up the situation perfectly, reminds me of the South American chap I recently shared the car with who proudly told me he went around from 1400 AGL as the flaps hadn't reached their final setting, or the FO who uttered the words "I'm uncomfortable" when I briefed a F25 landing (777) as he was told by a nameless TRE on his last PPC...whom I phoned and spoke too later, and he confirmed F25 landings on the 777 are "illegal"
Our wonderful training/CHECKING department which is being taking over by idiots disguised as useful idiots.
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Is that like the prat who filed an ASR for 'ommiting' the landing lights due to a distraction
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 01:25   #15 (permalink)
 
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Yes it was in Damam. Forget sharing here, the copy of tech log is making rounds around the world in WhatsApp. I got it from a Taiwanese friend ! Within a day.
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 02:18   #16 (permalink)
 
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https://youtu.be/sj6-LG5VpGk
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 02:46   #17 (permalink)
 
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It reminds me of the competition between EK, ET, QR, and TK somehow with Dick Dastardly in the roll of STC, each company having its own special features in the air!

Great analogy!!

However, if "a bird in the hand beats two in the bush" then perhaps a "bird on the wing has broken something". I think either of them beats a "4 of a kind", and thats no bushtit.

In some cultures a "pigeon on a pylon" could be a bad omen especially if that pigeon has ties to "Avian Brotherhood". I mean I suppose it could have been a Rock Pigeon, and they'll do damage to an engine, especially the little guitar, tattoos and skull jewelry.

Not everyone likes a Hairy Woodpecker either, and the policy these days is to "make it clean and keep it clean", not like it was in the 70's.
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 06:44   #18 (permalink)
 
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Monarch Man you got it ........tRa in iNgCHECKING!!!! (note the obvious disjointed, incoherent, confusing, unfair, useless, and inconsistent depiction of the word training) which has resulted in otherwise competent guys, oh and gals losing all of their confidence and common sense after years of beating....and its worse than its ever been...BY FAR......I give their entire department a solid 1 in all competencies/PAMS or whatever the F#$k they call it. And we all thought the little symbol they wore on their epaulets was a STAR...actually its a little A-hole.

Back to the subject....how about the one "WIFI signal poor in the cockpit" which I saw recently.

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Old 16th Jun 2017, 08:20   #19 (permalink)
 
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I believe that one was actually a hoax(at least I hope so). Apparently someone on his upgrade course thought it would be funny and put it on his group chat. One of his mates then sent it to a friend and violá, you have a disaster. Didn't stop him getting in the pooh though, poor bastard.

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Can't blame the Training Department if you don't engage your grey matter....
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