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Old 16th Jun 2017, 10:33   #21 (permalink)
 
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WIFI one is real. The FO was called in during the 'investigation".
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 10:37   #22 (permalink)
 
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Well, no surprise here.

Simply read the weekly EK/ASR comic strip.
The stupidity is hair raising.

Begs the question who went south first, the training and trainers, or the candidates.
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 11:14   #23 (permalink)
 
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The logbook page with the bird write-up is indeed floating around the net... I've seen it. The way its written up is.... well, lets say interesting.
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 11:36   #24 (permalink)
 
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This reminds me of the old Twighlight Zone tv show, where passenger William Shatner (Star Trek first Capt Kirk for you youngsters) is a passenger, looks out the window and sees this little ghoul, monster what ever, on the wing tearing the wing and engine apart. Trouble is he's the only one to see it. Goes crazy in the end, but after landing the wing and engine ARE torn up.

So they were damn lucky to have someone report the bird. Could have pecked his way through the nacelle and created all sorts of damage during flight. Very smart captain, no?
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This reminds me of the old Twighlight Zone tv show, where passenger William Shatner (Star Trek first Capt Kirk for you youngsters) is a passenger, looks out the window and sees this little ghoul, monster what ever, on the wing tearing the wing and engine apart. Trouble is he's the only one to see it. Goes crazy in the end, but after landing the wing and engine ARE torn up.

So they were damn lucky to have someone report the bird. Could have pecked his way through the nacelle and created all sorts of damage during flight. Very smart captain, no?


The 80's movie version was better:

https://youtu.be/ctHltBauGc8
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 15:47   #26 (permalink)
 
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Much edgier. The original almost comedic in comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dar2HKImK-0

Maybe a remake of the remake "Horror at 35000 ft, Bird On A Wing". Starring TCAS in his first major roll. He has big shoes to fill.............
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 18:33   #27 (permalink)
 
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There's something on the wing, some......thing....
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 18:35   #28 (permalink)
 
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It's the culture in the airline that is bred through fear tactics that starts in management. Look think about it. You get a report that the bird is sitting on the engine pylon. Ok so you increase thrust a bit but it doesn't budge. So there's two thoughts that could go through your head at this moment.

1. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to fly away.
2. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to get sucked into the engine.

So at an airline where the captain's are still in control and where management are not looking to pass all the blame for every event on the pilots and will back them up in front of angry owners the first thought is the natural one.

At an airline where the management are in it for money and have unsympathetic incompasionate overseas that are ready to drop all the blame on the pilots to save their ass at any given moment then pilots learn to always think of the worst possible situation. Always. They become experts at it. To the point that they turn into nervous wrecks. And so a bird on the nacelle becomes an ingested bird. Becomes a rejected TO. Becomes a busted engine. Becomes an enquiry which finds that the pilots were warned of the bird. Becomes a firing for not considering the dangers of the bird.
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 18:56   #29 (permalink)
 
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It's the culture in the airline that is bred through fear tactics that starts in management. Look think about it. You get a report that the bird is sitting on the engine pylon. Ok so you increase thrust a bit but it doesn't budge. So there's two thoughts that could go through your head at this moment.

1. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to fly away.
2. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to get sucked into the engine.

So at an airline where the captain's are still in control and where management are not looking to pass all the blame for every event on the pilots and will back them up in front of angry owners the first thought is the natural one.

At an airline where the management are in it for money and have unsympathetic incompasionate overseas that are ready to drop all the blame on the pilots to save their ass at any given moment then pilots learn to always think of the worst possible situation. Always. They become experts at it. To the point that they turn into nervous wrecks. And so a bird on the nacelle becomes an ingested bird. Becomes a rejected TO. Becomes a busted engine. Becomes an enquiry which finds that the pilots were warned of the bird. Becomes a firing for not considering the dangers of the bird.

Absolutely brilliant! As well as the coolest bird I've seen in a long time.
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Old 17th Jun 2017, 02:21   #30 (permalink)


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On the topic of ridiculous write ups let's not forget the classic B-777 F report. "Captain couldn't sleep in the bunk because the FO was making too much noise in the galley."
It was only a two man Crew.
Only at Emirates
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On the topic of ridiculous write ups let's not forget the classic B-777 F report. "Captain couldn't sleep in the bunk because the FO was making too much noise in the galley."
It was only a two man Crew.
Only at Emirates
***Alleged incident (for legal purposes)***

Don't think that one actually made it as far as the weekly compilation though did it? Think the crew probably received their dismissal via ACARS, which they could have read had they been in the right part of the airplane...
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 00:27   #32 (permalink)
 
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Look think about it. You get a report that the bird is sitting on the engine pylon. Ok so you increase thrust a bit but it doesn't budge. So there's two thoughts that could go through your head at this moment.

1. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to fly away.
2. Once we set TO thrust that birds going to get sucked into the engine.
Apparently the captain took the liberty of examining that bird and discovered that the only reason that it was mounted on the engine was that it had been nailed there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE

At 1:48

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Old 18th Jun 2017, 16:59   #33 (permalink)
 
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Perhaps the hold over time for birds had been exceeded....
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 19:17   #34 (permalink)
 
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It must have been a bloody big shitehawk.
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Old 19th Jun 2017, 17:33   #35 (permalink)
 
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Couldn't get it to squawk standby?
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Old 19th Jun 2017, 20:46   #36 (permalink)
 
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Found a photo

Bird on wing
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Old 25th Jun 2017, 15:58   #37 (permalink)
 
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Might've been easier to just let the taxi speed wind up to 30 kts. Pretty easy out of Dammam at that weight at idle thrust and the bird would reach Vne and depart the scene. They need to run this scenario in the sim matrix, get some real training going on.

What an amazing fear culture they've managed to foster.
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Old 25th Jun 2017, 16:07   #38 (permalink)
 
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A touch of reverse thrust might have done the trick. Birds don't it up em you know
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Old 26th Jun 2017, 12:19   #39 (permalink)
 
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Problem now is that will introduce a mandatory, semi-annual, three-hour session on Handling Bird Sim
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Old 26th Jun 2017, 15:22   #40 (permalink)
 
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The " bird module "
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