Finally a commuting roster on the 777!
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With the 28/13 split along with the salary reduction that has been hinted, this has the potential to be the worst paid 777 ex-pat part time position along with having the worst work versus time off balance.
Surely this is a step backwards for us at EK?
Surely this is a step backwards for us at EK?
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Basically the hours will be probably going back to what they were pre the big increase in hours a few years back plus the time off will be in the same ballpark.....BUT and a huge decrease in salary and allowances. Sounds like having your cake and eating it to me...... basically where you were 7ish years back but for less money (and thats without taking into account inflation)
A clever trick if you ask me....imagine instead of the increase in hours 7ish years ago they just instead dropped the pay....would that have worked ? Probably not but do it this way in two stages and "Hey Presto' same work for less money......Magic ...just watch the hands.....
A clever trick if you ask me....imagine instead of the increase in hours 7ish years ago they just instead dropped the pay....would that have worked ? Probably not but do it this way in two stages and "Hey Presto' same work for less money......Magic ...just watch the hands.....
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Seems bizarre.
As I said before, under typical UK DTTs, it would be 'we will offset tax paid in Dubai'. Which is zero.
I can't see it being beneficial. The UK has a problem with the number of high earners claiming non-dom status in the UAE. They won't want to feed that particular pony.
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Please seek some professional financial advice.
The DTT that comes into effect is to allow those of pensionable age who, earned thier pension in the UK i.e. made the pension contributions whilst paying tax on thier earnings, the ability to draw that pension in thier country of residence and pay tax at the rate of that country be it as a passport holder or resident status.
At the moment that rate is zero on pensions in the UAE.
If DTT does come in on earnings it will be several years after implementing income tax in the UAE as it will need to be means tested.
The proposed contract on its face is already poor without seeing the details.
The DTT that comes into effect is to allow those of pensionable age who, earned thier pension in the UK i.e. made the pension contributions whilst paying tax on thier earnings, the ability to draw that pension in thier country of residence and pay tax at the rate of that country be it as a passport holder or resident status.
At the moment that rate is zero on pensions in the UAE.
If DTT does come in on earnings it will be several years after implementing income tax in the UAE as it will need to be means tested.
The proposed contract on its face is already poor without seeing the details.
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Wilfred Fry & Co. used to run a tax service for expats that seemed up to date and reasonable.
Establishing Non-domiciled status in the UK is a lot harder than it once was, the mesh of the net has got a lot smaller, worth checking.
Establishing Non-domiciled status in the UK is a lot harder than it once was, the mesh of the net has got a lot smaller, worth checking.
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Please seek some professional financial advice.
The DTT that comes into effect is to allow those of pensionable age who, earned thier pension in the UK i.e. made the pension contributions whilst paying tax on thier earnings, the ability to draw that pension in thier country of residence and pay tax at the rate of that country be it as a passport holder or resident status.
At the moment that rate is zero on pensions in the UAE.
If DTT does come in on earnings it will be several years after implementing income tax in the UAE as it will need to be means tested.
The proposed contract on its face is already poor without seeing the details.
The DTT that comes into effect is to allow those of pensionable age who, earned thier pension in the UK i.e. made the pension contributions whilst paying tax on thier earnings, the ability to draw that pension in thier country of residence and pay tax at the rate of that country be it as a passport holder or resident status.
At the moment that rate is zero on pensions in the UAE.
If DTT does come in on earnings it will be several years after implementing income tax in the UAE as it will need to be means tested.
The proposed contract on its face is already poor without seeing the details.
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I can't believe conditions are that bad at EK. I work for one of the big 3 US legacies based at the busiest airport in the world. I never work more than 14 days per month. My 3 vacation months of the year, I work 8-10 days. Granted this is in a 30-31 day month instead of 28. I am shocked reading this board.
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I can't believe conditions are that bad at EK. I work for one of the big 3 US legacies based at the busiest airport in the world. I never work more than 14 days per month. My 3 vacation months of the year, I work 8-10 days. Granted this is in a 30-31 day month instead of 28. I am shocked reading this board.
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I love how American legacy pilots love chiming in with severe tall-poppy syndrome these days, despite having the worst major airline contracts in the developed world for the better part of the last generation.
I was shocked reading about the terms and conditions on offer up until the last couple of years. Appalled, in fact. Particularly for guys based in the busiest airport in the world.
As for setting the 'global standard'. I'm glad that's completely untrue. Not sure the world needs their major airline industry divested into 50% regional jets with food stamp wages.
When you peer over Trump's wall, you'll see that the standards set in each locale are set by the market forces operating therein.
I was shocked reading about the terms and conditions on offer up until the last couple of years. Appalled, in fact. Particularly for guys based in the busiest airport in the world.
As for setting the 'global standard'. I'm glad that's completely untrue. Not sure the world needs their major airline industry divested into 50% regional jets with food stamp wages.
When you peer over Trump's wall, you'll see that the standards set in each locale are set by the market forces operating therein.
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I love how American legacy pilots love chiming in with severe tall-poppy syndrome these days, despite having the worst major airline contracts in the developed world for the better part of the last generation.
I was shocked reading about the terms and conditions on offer up until the last couple of years. Appalled, in fact. Particularly for guys based in the busiest airport in the world.
As for setting the 'global standard'. I'm glad that's completely untrue. Not sure the world needs their major airline industry divested into 50% regional jets with food stamp wages.
When you peer over Trump's wall, you'll see that the standards set in each locale are set by the market forces operating therein.
I was shocked reading about the terms and conditions on offer up until the last couple of years. Appalled, in fact. Particularly for guys based in the busiest airport in the world.
As for setting the 'global standard'. I'm glad that's completely untrue. Not sure the world needs their major airline industry divested into 50% regional jets with food stamp wages.
When you peer over Trump's wall, you'll see that the standards set in each locale are set by the market forces operating therein.
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Hockeypilot,
I earn approx $19000US per month tax free as a 777 Captain at EK. Pleased for you that you earn more than me. Didn't realise a 737 FO was paid so much in the USA!
I earn approx $19000US per month tax free as a 777 Captain at EK. Pleased for you that you earn more than me. Didn't realise a 737 FO was paid so much in the USA!
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Market locale? The very definition of aviation implies global. Once again, defending your rice bowls, no matter how small or half empty they may be. Big picture, look at it. You attack a group or nationality because they are better compensated than you are? Clean up your own backyard. We did. But that's because of Trump or a wall???? We want better terms and conditions, yet you are defending a substandard schedule and compensation. Some people can't be helped. Enjoy $9 beer night.
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It is disturbing and a sign of just how many EK pilots suffer from the work equivalent of 'Battered Wife Syndrome' that you are considering this a commuting contract.
Take a breath, minus the shisha, and realise that a commuting contract it ain't.
They lowered the requirements to the absolute minimum and couldn't get anyone.
They offered (disgustingly) new joiners more than current pilots and couldn't get anyone.
Now they are offering a crap package and you are blindly considering it good. 28 days on 13 days off - what planet are you on?
Almost 2 years ago they deludedly believed they could become an 'Employer of Choice,' and introduced a survey that would allow them to announce this to the world. The backlash was so great the results have disappeared into the ether - yet more typical head in the sand from management.
Stop kidding yourselves about this 'deal.'
Take a breath, minus the shisha, and realise that a commuting contract it ain't.
They lowered the requirements to the absolute minimum and couldn't get anyone.
They offered (disgustingly) new joiners more than current pilots and couldn't get anyone.
Now they are offering a crap package and you are blindly considering it good. 28 days on 13 days off - what planet are you on?
Almost 2 years ago they deludedly believed they could become an 'Employer of Choice,' and introduced a survey that would allow them to announce this to the world. The backlash was so great the results have disappeared into the ether - yet more typical head in the sand from management.
Stop kidding yourselves about this 'deal.'
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$19,000 a month tax free is great pay. This puts you above the majority of US3 Captains and probably among the highest paid airline pilots in the world. I understand the hours are rough, but in terms of compensation it doesn't get much better than EK. Additionally, the quick upgrade to the left seat of a widebody is a major plus. In the US, widebody command takes a quarter of a century. Unfortunately, that's not an exaggeration.
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The regional jets was a major attack on our labor force. We have successfully won that battle. Regional first officers now start at $60,000 per year. It is now a stepping stone job to the legacies. I make more money in a year than an A380 captain at your airline and I'm a 737 first officer. I already knew that. What I didn't know was how few days off you guys get. I can't believe you would compare wages on a 70 seat aircraft against an international wide-body.
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13 off is not enough unless you plan on commuting to the sub-continent or Egypt. UK is probably possible distance wise but try getting a seat at certain times of the year. Australia/NZ/CAN/US is not realistic with only 13 off.
13 off after 28 on would not be unusual on a normal roster with most airlines.
13 off after 28 on would not be unusual on a normal roster with most airlines.
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$19,000 a month tax free is great pay. This puts you above the majority of US3 Captains and probably among the highest paid airline pilots in the world. I understand the hours are rough, but in terms of compensation it doesn't get much better than EK. Additionally, the quick upgrade to the left seat of a widebody is a major plus. In the US, widebody command takes a quarter of a century. Unfortunately, that's not an exaggeration.
And forget the quick upgrades at EK, that's done. Quicker than a US major perhaps, but only an overly ambitious fool would consider the left seat at EK an improvement over the right seat at a US major.
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13 off is not enough unless you plan on commuting to the sub-continent or Egypt. UK is probably possible distance wise but try getting a seat at certain times of the year. Australia/NZ/CAN/US is not realistic with only 13 off.
13 off after 28 on would not be unusual on a normal roster with most airlines.
13 off after 28 on would not be unusual on a normal roster with most airlines.
