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Old 8th Mar 2017, 06:55   #21 (permalink)
 
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It proofs again that having a valid license outside the UAE is vital; especially "before" one resigns! Know of two guys over the last few months that had serious validation issues with the GCAA.

GET YOUR LICENSES IN ORDER IN YOUR HOME COUNTRY NOW! It might cost a bit of money to keep a valid type rating in order, but believe me it is cheap insurance the day you need it.
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Old 8th Mar 2017, 08:34   #22 (permalink)
 
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Just type his name and OSM into Google (or any search engine of your choice).

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Although I google every single stupid thing you can imagine, never thought about this.
Worked like a charm!

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Old 18th Mar 2017, 06:12   #23 (permalink)
 
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I worked there for 8 years on 777. Best commuting contract on the planet. No, money might not be high but if you value family time, this works well. They never violated my days off in those 8 years.

Would you mind giving us some details about Korean ? How many actual days you spend back home ? 3-4 trips a month? Can you request 11 days at the end of a month followed by 11 at the beginning of the next one ? Any Info from ex EK drivers would be highly appreciated comparing lifestyles.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 14:41   #24 (permalink)
 
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Did any new info come from the roadshow?

Apart from what we know from Rishworth?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 03:39   #25 (permalink)
 
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New info from the Korean Roadshow in Dubai....

Well don't know if you'd call it new, but one ex-EK Captain now working for Korean gave a little presentation on the day, and is more than happy with his new life in Seoul, and his 11 consecutive days a month at home. He confirmed that ex EK guys are well thought of by Korean (they've probably all still got the big EK-Escape smile on!) and the company is very happy to take more from DXB. Particularly from those airlines that don't seem to comprehend the concept of quality of life.

It was stated that no ex-EK guy has ever failed to get on line with Korean, after joining. Typical medical failure rate about 5% of new joiners, and pay during training reduced by about 20% from normal approx. 3-5 months to get on line after arriving in Seoul. Screening process (in Seoul) can be split up should one be lacking in sufficient consecutive days off to do it all in one go.....

Money not the best, but lifestyle would seem to suit many. Reverse basing was also discussed, though it would appear KE are aiming to have most folks commute (9 days off per month, + 2 leave days, + 3 travel days = 14 days off the job, which achieves 11 consecutive days at home). Some KE expats have over 20 years service.

Good luck to all who may wish to go for it.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 13:36   #26 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for the info.
Just playing devil' s advocate here, but how exactly is 11 days at home (using annual leave) and 18 days at work every month good lifestyle? All of this with major jetlags.
I am sure it works for people and there's many worse deals around, and I'm sure they have great airplanes to fly. But is the 11 days at home really the selling point?

Just trying to get the general views here, but I'd be more attracted to moving my family to a nice expat enviroment with decent enough rosters and get on with it.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 14:16   #27 (permalink)
 
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bringbackthe80s......

You are of course correct that 11 days at home may or may not be everybody's idea of a good lifestyle. The words 'good lifestyle' here are totally subjective, depending on one's expectations, and current or previous working patterns.

My previous post above is by nature somewhat brief, and more feel-good factors were mentioned at the roadshow. The timing of the block days off is routinely adjustable by negotiation between rostering and the crew member, and allegedly it seems possible to arrange one's time off to coincide with family holidays, birthdays etc. There was a claim that home time for Christmas and birthdays is rarely ever missed. On the B777, nil night turns, and layovers for almost any duration of sector, even after a 90 minute hop to Japan.

The 11 days off may suit those guys perhaps who don't have to travel too far, or cross too many time zones to get home. Perhaps Seoul is better positioned for those commuting to the east coast of Australia, to New Zealand or living in South East Asia.

It's not Nirvana, but it is an alternative. As you say, you are looking for "a nice expat environment with decent enough rosters". (That certainly rules out the Middle East in general, as any concept of good lifestyle is long gone.) Please feel free to post on here when you find one that works!
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 20:08   #28 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info.
Just playing devil' s advocate here, but how exactly is 11 days at home (using annual leave) and 18 days at work every month good lifestyle? All of this with major jetlags.
I am sure it works for people and there's many worse deals around, and I'm sure they have great airplanes to fly. But is the 11 days at home really the selling point?

Just trying to get the general views here, but I'd be more attracted to moving my family to a nice expat enviroment with decent enough rosters and get on with it.
I've been with KE for a bit over 5 years now. In those five years I have not missed a single birthday, Thanksgiving, Christmas, spring and fall break or any other time my family needed me home. Yes, you get 11 days off a month, but you choose which 11 days off you want and KE builds your schedule around your requested days off.

It may not be much, but ask all the pilots in ME whose families has had enough of ME and wanted to move back home; it is a blessing for them. I guess 11 days at home are a lot better then living away all the time. Having said that, it is not everyone's cup of tea. Living out of suitcase for 16 days gets old very fast, and jet lag is something you have to cope with every month if you live in EU or US.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 05:17   #29 (permalink)


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I'm not convinced that moving to Korea will be in the best interest of my famil either, 11 days off or not .
Not when there is a nut job North of the DMZ with his nukes pointing South & with Trump rattling his cage.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 14:16   #30 (permalink)
 
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commuting sucks no matter which airline you fly for

been there done it (same time zone) for over 12 years, never again

people seem to overlook poor pay at Korean to just commute home. this may be OK for the first 6 months but after that, you will not be happy with poor pay and living out of a suitcase.

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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 16:50   #31 (permalink)
 
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If you are someone who places money above everything else then, no, Korean is not for you. There are better paying gigs out there. However as you should be painfully aware, that money comes at an extreme cost. If you are still residing in the M E then clearly you will put up with a lot of $@it to claim a 'tax free' salary that has not kept pace. If you're never home and flying the back side of the clock living in an expensive polluted city with a toxic mindset how does 'living out of a suitcase' for 17 days a month become a death sentence when compared to the sewer you wade through daily?
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 01:45   #32 (permalink)
 
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commuting sucks no matter which airline you fly for

been there done it (same time zone) for over 12 years, never again

people seem to overlook poor pay at Korean to just commute home. this may be OK for the first 6 months but after that, you will not be happy with poor pay and living out of a suitcase.

good luck
Remember that there are some of us that would be in a low or no tax situation with KAL and if you have the home paid off and living debt free along with cheaper living costs than in the UAE, 14K USD (50K AED) can go quite far.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 20:09   #33 (permalink)


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Yeah, yeah... The grass is always greener on the other side! Isn't it...
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 00:28   #34 (permalink)
 
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If you are someone who places money above everything else then, no, Korean is not for you. There are better paying gigs out there. However as you should be painfully aware, that money comes at an extreme cost. If you are still residing in the M E then clearly you will put up with a lot of $@it to claim a 'tax free' salary that has not kept pace. If you're never home and flying the back side of the clock living in an expensive polluted city with a toxic mindset how does 'living out of a suitcase' for 17 days a month become a death sentence when compared to the sewer you wade through daily?
Polluted city? Have you tried Beijing or HKG?
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 02:30   #35 (permalink)
 
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Polluted city? Have you tried Beijing or HKG?
I wouldn't live there either. Difference is those cities post pollution levels.....UAE doesn't. Particulate in the ME is often just as bad and worse as Asian cities given time of year and weather conditions. Given the choice, I'll raise my kids in a place with clean air and food that is grown locally. It's hard to put a price tag on the things these expat posts cannot offer.
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