Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Middle East
Reload this Page >

EK and the Rolls engines

Wikiposts
Search
Middle East Many expats still flying in Knoteetingham. Regional issues can be discussed here.

EK and the Rolls engines

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 19th Nov 2016, 15:20
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Criss crossing the Arabian Sea
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
EK and the Rolls engines

Pretty interesting.

Emirates Says Rolls-Royce?s A380 Engines Not Up to Standard - Bloomberg
RoyalEnfield is offline  
Old 19th Nov 2016, 15:55
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Not at EK :)
Posts: 526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I wonder how much Timi's Knighthood will cost EK?
777boyindubai is offline  
Old 19th Nov 2016, 16:09
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: UK
Age: 58
Posts: 3,497
Received 160 Likes on 86 Posts
Is the RR engine for Emirates' fleet of A380s different to all the other RR engines on the A380?
TURIN is offline  
Old 19th Nov 2016, 16:53
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: uae
Posts: 2,777
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sounds like a delay tactic.
fatbus is offline  
Old 19th Nov 2016, 20:20
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: here and there, mostly there...
Posts: 330
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
@fatbus I agree
natops is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2016, 01:42
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 415
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 777boyindubai
I wonder how much Timi's Knighthood will cost EK?
I would say north of $6B/yr

Marketing - $3B/yr
20 x A380 wings
50 x Trent 900s
Repatriated expat income
notapilot15 is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2016, 03:07
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sandy Surroundings!
Posts: 183
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Emirates switched supplier on the understanding that Rolls would help develop an upgraded and re-engined “Neo” version to help pare operating costs and extend the model’s lifespan.
Another gamble by TC that will cost them dearly.......
TwinJock is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2016, 04:10
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: earth
Posts: 1,098
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
4 engine, 4 struts, 3 spools ....... all fascinating, but not economic

The bedouin father telling his son:
"Your 8 cylinder Stretch-Limo is beautiful, but useless. People book it for peanuts, drive around aimlessly and only get drunk at the bar. Look at my tractor in contrast, only 4 cylinders, but it produces food on the table."
"You're so right father" the bedouin's son replied and went out to buy 5 even more useless 8 cylinder Ford 150's (seemingly the new ME standard .... ).

Last edited by glofish; 20th Nov 2016 at 05:58.
glofish is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2016, 07:01
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Not at EK :)
Posts: 526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Timi got his gong in Jan 2014 for “services to British prosperity and to the aviation industry”.

Rolls (who make crap engines) won the EK contract in April 2015

Go figure....
777boyindubai is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2016, 07:03
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: somewhere sandy
Age: 62
Posts: 69
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Matey peeps, the problem is that EK ORDERED another 50 a/c. The first tranche of are 510t variants, for which the good old T900 can produce reliable oomph @72k lbs.
The remainder of the ORDER are 575t a/c, and when you turn up the wick on the T900 to 77k lbs of oomph, longevity on-wing is somewhat reduced.
Will RR fix the issue? Who knows. Will any fix be quick in coming? Likely not.
When i say ordered, i mean firm orders, not options.
How to get out of that pickle? Well, who knows.
P7xkk is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2016, 15:32
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 1998
Location: the ridge where the west commences
Posts: 770
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is it possible Sir T finally figured out what every other airline executive already knew: in order for the A380 to be profitable the engines would need to run on water not jet fuel? In that case the RR would certainly be unsatisfactory.

He's a little late to the party judging by the order book.
Dropp the Pilot is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2016, 18:15
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Doctor's waiting room
Posts: 769
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Daily Telegraph - Fresh allegations Rolls-Royce was involved in corruption to land contracts

It would sadly seem as if the glory days for RR are history.
Emma Royds is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2016, 18:44
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: UK
Age: 58
Posts: 3,497
Received 160 Likes on 86 Posts
Rolls (who make crap engines)
Bit like proon keyboard warriors who make unsubstantiated carp remarks.
TURIN is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2016, 18:54
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: se england
Posts: 1,579
Likes: 0
Received 48 Likes on 21 Posts
Rolls make crap engines-true sometimes they have done (though its harsh word to use) same as GE and PW have at times made engines that were well below par . not unknown in highly specialised high tech industries where pushing the envelope is standard modus operandi.

And as for RR bribing people shurely not, they are British and only foreigners do that sort of thing.....
pax britanica is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2016, 12:25
  #15 (permalink)  
PGA
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 252
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Rumour has it outstation engineering training courses are cancelled.

Don't think we'll see the RR engines soon if none of the outstations are properly equipped to handle them.
PGA is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2016, 12:53
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: DESDI or BUBIN
Posts: 373
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There's a fine example of RR engineering parked outside the hangar at the moment. SQ 380 had an engine failure and dived into Dubai.
Eau de Boeing is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2016, 16:03
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Eternal Beach
Posts: 1,086
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Have a look ar what ANA are doing with their RR engines on the Nightmare-liner.

halas
halas is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2016, 16:49
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 415
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by pax britanica
And as for RR bribing people shurely not, they are British and only foreigners do that sort of thing.....
I am sorry, could you elaborate on this.

This is from Guardian/BBC investigation

Rolls-Royce plc, Britain’s leading manufacturing multinational, hired a network of agents to help it land lucrative contracts in at least 12 different countries around the world, sometimes allegedly using bribes.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ajor-contracts

Talking tough and having an SFO doesn't imply British are not into giving bribes.

There are two clear examples of involvement with one country.

Augusta Westland was caught bribing and when India cancelled the AW101 order. Am I wrong? Should we blame it on Italians.

RR returned illegal agent commission to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to save the deal, because standing tall with tight lips didn't work with AW101 deal.
notapilot15 is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2016, 16:53
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Dubai - sand land.
Age: 55
Posts: 2,832
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by notapilot15
Quote:
Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
And as for RR bribing people shurely not, they are British and only foreigners do that sort of thing.....
I am sorry, could you elaborate on this.
Woooossshhhh. Guess that went over your head there!
White Knight is offline  
Old 2nd Dec 2016, 12:24
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 415
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sorry if I missed the sarcasm.

BTW looks like hounds are unleashed on Airbus. This is going to be an Airbus issue not RR issue. Troll Army claiming entire Airbus WB strategy is flawed!!

Do EK really need 77k lbs thrust? Their flights are feather light.
notapilot15 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.