Stay away from Emirates. (EK)
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Second top bid month for me and........nothing I bid for. AGAIN. This is really starting to get old. All I can hope for is a good second top bid month since my Top bid month is always ruined by training. "your PPC was moved into your top bid month for operational reasons". Yeah, that never gets old. EVER.
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Same, same here. Not one preference and to add insult to injury they never gave me more than 2 days off in a row. This makes a swap almost impossible, anytime you wanted to swap and take a day off with it either side, it's illegal, because you NEED two days off every fortnight.
What bothers me even more, is to see many flights i wished for on the swap page, but unable to swap (see above). It's really insulting.
I am also quite senior and checking the buddies receiving my preferred flights, it turns out they are junior and in no better bid group. I suspect this is done on purpose, to get the old guys pi$$ed and opt out. We seem too expensive ....
I wrote to the higher levels, as usual without any substantial result nor intellectual reflection.
What bothers me even more, is to see many flights i wished for on the swap page, but unable to swap (see above). It's really insulting.
I am also quite senior and checking the buddies receiving my preferred flights, it turns out they are junior and in no better bid group. I suspect this is done on purpose, to get the old guys pi$$ed and opt out. We seem too expensive ....
I wrote to the higher levels, as usual without any substantial result nor intellectual reflection.
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Are the support guys able to help by looking at the bid requested vs bid achieved? Have not used them with the new system but were helpful several years ago in highlighting a few gotchas and limitations of the system.
Until we have a proper bid line system, there will always be the opportunity for cock ups on both sides of the line. The fact that our DSVP waxed lyrical over the increase of choices from 5 to 10 says it all really.
Glo
Agreed. We also used to have open time but that's disappeared. The problem is we have a system that COULD work but it needs the correct amount of crew to facilitate it. We don't have the correct number, simple as that. Until we do, it'll never be as good as it's claimed to be.
Harry
Are the support guys able to help by looking at the bid requested vs bid achieved? Have not used them with the new system but were helpful several years ago in highlighting a few gotchas and limitations of the system.
Until we have a proper bid line system, there will always be the opportunity for cock ups on both sides of the line. The fact that our DSVP waxed lyrical over the increase of choices from 5 to 10 says it all really.
Glo
Agreed. We also used to have open time but that's disappeared. The problem is we have a system that COULD work but it needs the correct amount of crew to facilitate it. We don't have the correct number, simple as that. Until we do, it'll never be as good as it's claimed to be.
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When is it enough.
The levels of fatigue in the company are shocking. How much longer can they keep this up before the cracks are too big to paper over? It seems like self awarding days off or leaving are the only choices if you don't want to be utterly destroyed by these rosters.
Surprise surprise
I'm beginning to wonder if AS also before he left received any incentives to implement this system? Why does it always appear that our chiefs want to reinvent the wheel and along the way destroy the functionality of some perfectly adequate systems.
No rostering software can construct a 6000 pilot programme to fit a 4400 one, but not to worry...everyone wants to join...risk free training, an open non punitive culture and best of all the lifestyle and aura of living in paradise
Ironically, as I posted this, the obligatory EK recruitment ad was present at the bottom of the page "15 cities in 31 days" it said, a flavour of your future roster Ladies and gents.
When asked how the system awards flights in bottom three bid groups the answer was "we don't know!" - from the roster planners themselves! That about sums the system up!
In the bottom three groups as there is no seniority it just fills up the flights as it wants!
And yes I have asked ....... to no avail!
In the bottom three groups as there is no seniority it just fills up the flights as it wants!
And yes I have asked ....... to no avail!
No rostering software can construct a 6000 pilot programme to fit a 4400 one, but not to worry...everyone wants to join...risk free training, an open non punitive culture and best of all the lifestyle and aura of living in paradise
Ironically, as I posted this, the obligatory EK recruitment ad was present at the bottom of the page "15 cities in 31 days" it said, a flavour of your future roster Ladies and gents.
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everyone wants to join
I'm hopefully about to get myself onto the very bottom rung of the "pilot ladder", and EK doesn't appeal to me as a career goal anymore (this was my biggest dream/goal growing up and in college), nor does it appeal to those of my age who are just about reaching the ek hours requirment, far better opportunities here at home lined up (Europe), they're not even bothering to apply. It's amazing how different people's view of the place is, even among my peers just out of training, from dream to nightmare. From what I can gather, those still focusing on EK tend to be African, south east Asian, and the blind/ignorant. I do worry about people still there though, cos if few are joining, and people are still leaving, then who will help relieve your rosters
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Having left EK and now settled into my new ‘lovely’ home I cannot believe how happy and free I feel. I wasted 7yrs in Dubai, and came away with nothing but anxiety over sim checks, road rage, reduced crew ULR flights, delirious sleep habits, planning of vacations and general BS! My pension fund has grown at twice the rate of EK (and no threat to take even a penny from me if I leave tomorrow!). I am now part of a company that has respect for every employee. I literally feel free to live! The bags under my eyes have gone! I have more excess cash in my pocket each month than I did at EK! Anyone that says that the EU only offers the likes of FR is wrong! The gulf is losing the last bit of appeal. Good luck to the die hards
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Have you considered 123, that he did not own a property to rent out?
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What has renting his house (assuming he has one to rent) in wherever got to do with Emirates?
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Isn’t there a 5 year bond that has to be paid off if you leave within that period? Your mate at BA must have done very well indeed to leave, pay off a bond and still have cash to spare.
What has renting his house (assuming he has one to rent) in wherever got to do with Emirates?
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A good point Bananman, but equally demonstrates that with the changes to the T&C the last few years that what ‘may’ have been possible cash wise probably isn’t anymore.
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Guys. I’m just being honest about leaving. It was the best move I ever did. I told my FO yesterday about the ridiculous emirates “congratulations handshake” after each flight! I have to say, that did start a laugh and imitation game! Who on earth invented that??
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It’s only fair to share experiences with potential new hires at EK. It’s a long prison sentence if you realise after 1year that you made a mistake. I know of several people who are still at EK and describe their feeling as being on a permanent heightened state of anxiety and pressure pot of anger.
When they see the cost of a jar of pasta sauce costing 5 or 6 times more than the price in the UK you start to see exactly where your money goes in UAE. Cellblock H or meydan south and the regular problems, the list just goes on. I wish I had never made the move away from UK. I have had 3 pay rises in just over 12 months and a big fat bonus yesterday. You don’t even get the contractual pay rises at EK.....the ones written in black and white! Am I lying at EK guys???? Let the newbies know the truth at least
When they see the cost of a jar of pasta sauce costing 5 or 6 times more than the price in the UK you start to see exactly where your money goes in UAE. Cellblock H or meydan south and the regular problems, the list just goes on. I wish I had never made the move away from UK. I have had 3 pay rises in just over 12 months and a big fat bonus yesterday. You don’t even get the contractual pay rises at EK.....the ones written in black and white! Am I lying at EK guys???? Let the newbies know the truth at least
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