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Old 16th Apr 2016, 04:31
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Of course Sir is distant. Sir occupies a parallel universe where the A380 is efficient, reliable, and profitable.

Suits you Sir.
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Old 16th Apr 2016, 05:24
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Dropp, you need to talk to your mates that transferred to the 380. During the perf g/s I remember them saying," I had no idea it could do that" Also who really cares, it's just an plane , pay is the same.
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Dropp, you need to talk to your mates that transferred to the 380. During the perf g/s I remember them saying," I had no idea it could do that" Also who really cares, it's just an plane , pay is the same.
Like landing on 3km of concrete?

But you're right, in the end it's just a plane .... but that borders blasphemy!
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds
Maybe 11 380s and 7 Triples going to the UK each day, along with the immense amount of cash that has been injected into sport and tourism industry within the UK, may have something to do with it.

I have spoken to a couple of colleagues who have chatted to Sir TC whilst he was on board. On those occasions he was polite and and engaged in conversation with both flight deck and cabin crew but it is very rare!

Anyone for squeezing Lemons?
Aren't you confusing ruthless business practices in order to gain market share with philanthropy and charity?

Do Brits like seeing their national airline and economy being undermined by slavery, and reward this predatory behavior with a fancy title?
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great comment!
That's exactly the question!
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Would of thought he would of at least
Could someone please translate the above into English?
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Old 17th Apr 2016, 06:08
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Aren't you confusing ruthless business practices in order to gain market share with philanthropy and charity?

Do Brits like seeing their national airline and economy being undermined by slavery, and reward this predatory behavior with a fancy title?
The travelling public in any country have a choice and can choose who they wish to fly with. Cost and convenience will always come before ethics.

When you go into a clothes shop, do you check the label on a garment to see if it was made in a sweatshop in a third world country before you buy it and let that influence your decision to purchase it?
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds
The travelling public in any country have a choice and can choose who they wish to fly with. Cost and convenience will always come before ethics.

When you go into a clothes shop, do you check the label on a garment to see if it was made in a sweatshop in a third world country before you buy it and let that influence your decision to purchase it?
But does that clothes shop or clothes manufacturer who uses sweat shops to produce clothes get a medal for 'exemplary' and role model behavior?

Just because someone dumps hundreds of tons of clothes produced in a sweat shop onto the market, or lands x-amount of A380's and B777's at a certain airport, does it automatically make it a good thing?

I can understand that the country in which the sweat shops are located gives the CEO a medal because obviously they don't care about worker's rights and safety, but why would a first world country with much higher (and more expensive!) worker rights and safety standards give a medal to the CEO who is actively undermining their entire social and economic structure?

It doesn't make any sense, except if the global elite don't really care about you and me and perhaps use this cost-war as a convenient excuse to squeeze more money out of the people who do the hard work whilst filling their own pockets with even bigger bonuses hidden away in tax free shell companies in far-away countries?
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Would of thought he would of at least
Could someone please translate the above into English?
It's actually not correct English. He meant to say "Would have", which is commonly contracted to "Would've", which when spoken sounds like "Would of". Unfortunately some grammar challenged people think "Would of" is the proper way to write it.
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Old 17th Apr 2016, 10:43
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flght
It's actually not correct English. He meant to say "Would have", which is commonly contracted to "Would've", which when spoken sounds like "Would of". Unfortunately some grammar challenged people think "Would of" is the proper way to write it.
That's your contribution to this thread, is it?
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Old 17th Apr 2016, 11:51
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Since Human Resources Management (Bachelor degree) and Security Management (Master degree) are my profession, I've noticed one thing common to all departments in EK and I used to say when I was working there that "all the insecure people from planet Earth with the complex of superiority came to work for EK as bosses".

Working as a superior to someone is always a psychological trap for the superior and it can really be a measure and indicator of their inner insecurities and complexes, because it can bring out the worst in people coming from this lack of mental hygiene. Unfortunately, it happens a lot. 90% of people are immature and not ready enough to lead the team because they hide their own insecurities or/and incompetencies by being strict, unfair, wrong and, very often, childish.

This "bad boss working culture" has spread all over Emirates. All of them want to show and have power over human lives to the extent that it's accepted as normal and desirable. Sometimes it is a matter of the part of the world they are coming from. It's not racist, it's a fact.

TC may not be a people person but his behaviour influences other superiors who see his arrogant mask as a desirable model of behaviour. Same goes for the other top managers, who also have the need to prove something to themselves and others. I've heard that only head of HR Abdulaziz Al Ali is somewhat different and a good man, but his mistake is the fact that he doesn't bother with improving the organizational culture, which he has to do being an HR.

So, the first thing to deal with in EK would be that extremely sick way in which superiors grasp their role. And fire many middle managers who don't have any other role than to chase employees all over Emirates facilities and punish them for not wearing the right nailpolish color or for not wearing a hat inside HQ. Their roles are unnecessary and costly.

TC had to do something about it long time ago and he is quilty for not paying any attention whatsoever to the employee strategy.

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Old 17th Apr 2016, 12:16
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Nikita81:

very true. There is no leadership by example at all.
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Thank you Nikita,

Spot on! this is one of my major grips.

If I get another management memo with "team" written 12 times, I think I am going to die.

Yes we do live in a bottom line kind of world. It is a real balancing act to reduce costs and maintain profitability.

I have always been of the school that you hire the best and brightest and reward those employees for their hard work and dedication. The word "team" nowadays just seems to be an over rot catch phrase for inept management.

You need to create a corporate culture of an inner sense of excellence, with a desire to serve. This of course is much easier said than done in today's what is in it for me work environment.

One of the most successful models for a company has been Southwest Airlines. Herb Kelleher had shown what can be done for an employee group with outstanding leadership skills. " NUTS! South West Airlines Recipe for Business and Personnel Success " should be mandatory reading for all those who wish to manage.

"If the employees come first, then they're happy, ... A motivated employee treats the customer well. The customer is happy so they keep coming back, which pleases the shareholders. It's not one of the enduring Green mysteries of all time, it is just the way it works"
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Old 17th Apr 2016, 12:36
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TC may be competent but a top manager on his position is actually a leader and he has to have it ALL. Including people skills.
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Old 17th Apr 2016, 12:42
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A330 captain on Saudia airlines

How is the atmosphere in Saudia and the training? Not sure if I should join , hired with Ruh based assigned.
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Old 17th Apr 2016, 12:56
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I just have to contribute to this thread.. Had TC on my flight to BHX. Never left his suite, never bothered to say hi to the crew or talk to anyone. In any company everything starts at the top. With the CEO and top-management, then it flows down to all other departments. In EK leadership is a title - "I have an ID card that says CC6, therefore I am superior to you, since you hold a CC2 ID." EK leadership culture is all about fearing your seniors, not respecting them.

I agree 100% with Nikita when Nikita sais that most leaders in EK are not fit for their job. Many of them come from certain cultural environments where the social structure is based in casts, opression, titles and surnames and not on respect for human dignity. Other "leaders" come from Western cultures, however its seems that they are happy to embrace the opression culture endoresed by the management the very first moment they earn their Bla-bla-10th-level EK ID. Most seniors are not psichologically ready to lead a team and they only use their canned authority to express power over somebodie's life in order to feed their low self-esteem and lack of decision-making power they probably experienced during their childhood, teens and adulthood.

This corporate culture is the perfect environment for many negative behavioral patterns to flourish, such as backstabbing, snitching, lack of trust in everyone around you, lack of feeling of belonging to the company.

How many of you feel that you are\were part of Emirates Group? How many of you identify yourself with Emirates and feel proud of working for it? Personally I never felt I belong to EK, there always was my job and Emirates was the HQ building full of so-called managers that don't give a crap about me. The "company" is your enemy, it's not an organization you can rely on. That was Emirates in my perception anyways..

To finish, I'd like to share a TED talk on leadership. Please watch it, it's 12 min long and you will have a good laugh (a sad one probably) on how the leadership in EK contrasts with what the speaker, Simon Sinek, has to say. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmyZMtPVodo
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Old 17th Apr 2016, 14:13
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SA post of the year.
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Old 17th Apr 2016, 18:17
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How is the atmosphere in Saudia and the training? Not sure if I should join , hired with Ruh based assigned.
John Cleese will answer, standby.
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Old 17th Apr 2016, 18:20
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It's simple enough ... MF laid the foundations and STC threw money at it. QED.
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Old 17th Apr 2016, 19:17
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That a good one. I thought they knighted him because he brings $4+ Billion/year to the kingdom thru EK.
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I'm sorry but that's a load of tosh, TC is hardly the biggest expat contributor to the UK economy non of whom have been knighted for their endeavours. Should Queenie just Knight all CEO's who bring in relatively marginal income for her purse...
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