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Old 14th Oct 2017, 07:10   #81 (permalink)
 
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One of the best post I've read Trader. Totally agree.

You can save money anywhere, but the life/health balance is the key.

As for the EK skipper who went the Cathay Dragon, well done that man. He's not the first and won't be the last to go in that direction.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 10:00   #82 (permalink)
 
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It seems we haven't met then. Speak for yourself and not for all....
I donít think he was speaking for all. He just doesnít know anyone who is planning on staying very long. I donít know that many either, including myself. The work here is a killer. My first three years were fantastic in terms of work life balance but I canít take this pace much longer.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 16:42   #83 (permalink)
 
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"My health and life are no longer worth it"

That's exactly my thought that lead me to pull the pin. I don't want to be there when the inevitable smoking hole happens... and sadly, it seems only a matter of (borrowed) time.

They need a massive cup of wake the f... up!
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 17:03   #84 (permalink)
 
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I don't know how anyone can stay long term at Emirates either. My body is killing me slowly. Maybe after years here slagging it off you somehow get use to the abuse both physical and mental but that is a dangerous game to play with your body and your life.
When is Delta going to call me for an interview? I don't want to be the last American left standing.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 19:35   #85 (permalink)
 
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Some more thoughts

My wife and I made the decision last year to give EK/Dubai a go. So yes I'm only relatively new.

The one thing we have noticed: if you were capable of saving money and sticking to a budget back in your home country, you will be able to save here. However if you aren't that sort of person, you will find plenty of things to take your money in Dubai. After all salary=expenses for some people....

We have 4 children, 2 in school so far. We chose a school that matches the education allowance. We're in company accommodation. As mentioned the company accomodation is fine. We spend more on food than we did back home but 5000 dirhams a month is more than enough for groceries and fuel costs. We put aside a reasonable amount for travel , money for the missus and some bills. After all that we manage to save about 11000 dirhams a month.

We came over with a couple of goals in mind. One of these is money, the other is having a new experience. However if we get to the end of the bond and my wife isn't happy, we'll go home. I didn't have the option to join a legacy carrier, only a LCC back in Aus.

EK isn't for everyone. Dubai is not for everyone. If you have the option of a legacy/major back in your home country, I would take that. But for the rest of us, there are plenty of jobs that are worse than EK. If you think you can achieve something for your career/life by coming here, go for it.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 08:18   #86 (permalink)
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"My health and life are no longer worth it"

That's exactly my thought that lead me to pull the pin. I don't want to be there when the inevitable smoking hole happens... and sadly, it seems only a matter of (borrowed) time.

They need a massive cup of wake the f... up!
It is not until you stop that you really realise just bad for your health the EK rosters are. After a few months you find out how much better you feel.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 08:37   #87 (permalink)
 
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It is not until you stop that you really realise just bad for your health the EK rosters are. After a few months you find out how much better you feel.
I felt better the second we were wheels up

Just the mental barriers we live with not being there any more is a great start. Don't have to worry about getting pinched for this that are normal back home. I know the chances of actually getting arrested in the sandpit are generally slim, but even as a law abiding citizen, the thought is always there in the back of your mind.

As I described it recently, I feel like I just got out of a really shitty emotionally abusive relationship, couldn't see it really til I was out. "Bit he seemed so nice" is always the refrain and it's no different with this lot.
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 20:58   #88 (permalink)
 
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https://blog.aerlingus.com/launching...uitment-drive/

Decent airline, good T&Cs, civilised country where you have rights. Might suit some of the youngish guys and girls with EU passports.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 12:55   #89 (permalink)
 
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Decent airline, good T&Cs, civilised country where you have rights. Might suit some of the youngish guys and girls with EU passports.
I wouldn't get my hopes up, it seems to be somewhat of an unwritten rule that Aer Lingus don't really hire guys back from the gulf, I know many who have applied and don't even get looked at ... a quick look through linkedin would appear to confirm the same.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 12:58   #90 (permalink)
 
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We're in company accommodation. As mentioned the company accomodation is fine. .
That only sentence does kill your whole paragraph.

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After all that we manage to save about 11000 dirhams a month..
I'm afraid you save all that on the back of your 4 kids.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 17:53   #91 (permalink)
 
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I'm not really sure what you mean by these two selective quotes?

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That only sentence does kill your whole paragraph.


I'm afraid you save all that on the back of your 4 kids.
Like I said the accomodation villas aren't bad. Would I buy one? No, the quality of workmanship is rubbish compared to anything you'd get back home. But to live in they're ok.

Are you implying we should be spending all that money on the kids every month?!
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 08:06   #92 (permalink)
 
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.... the quality of workmanship is rubbish .... But to live in they're ok.
So you enjoy living in rubbish ?

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Are you implying we should be spending all that money on the kids every month?!
No, you can always feed them with pasta and rice the whole month

" all that money " you said you had 4 of them ?
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 13:47   #93 (permalink)
 
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So you enjoy living in rubbish ?



No, you can always feed them with pasta and rice the whole month

" all that money " you said you had 4 of them ?

Like I said, I was trying to provide a reasonable comment based on our experience in EK and Dubai. Clearly I have forgotten PPRuNe is not the place for reasonable comments. Enjoy your negativity mate...
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 15:35   #94 (permalink)
 
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aviation, haven't you learned anything. You can't post ANYTHING positive/factual about EK/Dubai here, even if it is IS true!

Kobus, I wouldn't call company accommodation 'rubbish'. I live out, but my time there was ok.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 07:43   #95 (permalink)
 
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I'm not negative : for example, I usually have excellent rosters, which make for a great time here.

I didn't use the word "rubbish" first, please read again.
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Old 28th Oct 2017, 09:45   #96 (permalink)


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Two different sides of the same story, EK is what you make of it, as simple as that. The same applies to Dubai.
I would never tell anyone not to come to EK simply because I know a big numbers of guys who are happy here. Personally EK and Dubai worked well for me, I was mostly happy about the way I was treated by the company during my time here, except for some occasions while in training events . But the time passed and now I'm tired and after over 30 years flying I need a lighter job. Boeing rosters are good when you talk about the top bid months, mainly with a reasonable seniority. But they can be horrible in your bottom bid months. I don't mind flying 90 hours if I have 12 to 15 days off plus a few rest days or arrivals just after midnight. That's the Big Bus life every month. But I'm Boeing and flying 90 hours with just seven days off is something I can't do it for long anymore, and I had that recently.
Besides that I have to admit that after over 20k hours of experience in airlines I want to have piece of mind when it comes to my recurrent PPC's. I'm tired of having to regain my job every six months. The uncertainty of how your sim rides will be is what makes me unconfortable. My two last PPC's were amazing, really positive experiences, but unfortunately you just know that for sure when it ends. I had other ones which were quiet painful and even though I managed to pass they were simply horrible experiences.
Money wise as it was already said here is quiet good, but it's becoming harder and harder to save money due to the escalating prices for anything you need. FO with children saving money? Well done Aviation enthus, this is really not easy.
Company accomodation isn't bad at all, lot's of internal space and not the worst areas in town. MS and MH have small garden areas, but still have very generous internal areas. I don't think too many pilots could afford to live in villas of the EK average size before coming to Dubai. The building standards are not great, but acceptable, and at the end of the day it's not yours and EK pays for all maintenance. All your bills related to the villa are paid by EK as well, even the gas for your BBQ. So it's definitely not "rubbish" as Kobus mentioned. By the way if Aviation still saves money with four children you should tell him he's a magician, if you want, but not hit him hard.
I left company accomodation for a much better standard a long time ago, but this isn't viable today. Even you manage to buy something really nice the bills and the interest will kill most of the alllowance, if not all. The option now (my opinion) is to buy a 3 bed townhouse for just over 2 million dirhams and make every expense fit inside the allowance. By doing this you just spend the down payment and then EK will pay the rest. Once you leave you sell the house and take all the money back home. But keep in mind that this choice means a downgrade in terms of space, though not necessarily a downgrade in terms of community standards.
Savings are possible, but it depends a lot on your choices in how to spend your hard worked for money.
I was visiting a friend in the Meydan South a few days ago and I've seen a Ferrari that looked quiet new parked in a colleague's garage next to his villa. That's a good example of someone that most likely don't save much, cause that toy probably costs him more than 4 children. Ferraris are not very common in company accomodation but Porsches are everywhere and they're not cheap at all. Fancy sport cars are the most common way of burning your money, mainly if you buy a brand new one.
So my advice to all that are planning to come to EK is to look at YOURSELF and YOUR family and decide if it's going to be worthy for YOU, considering YOUR priorities and YOUR future plans. Don't let others decide what will be your future life.
Unhappy people use to come here more often than the happy ones, keep that in mind as well!
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 02:45   #97 (permalink)
 
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As for the EK skipper who went the Cathay Dragon, well done that man. He's not the first and won't be the last to go in that direction.
The way things are changing in HKG, there are several contemplating the reverse direction.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 04:08   #98 (permalink)
 
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Good post Desert Peregrin, I agree with your post and sentiments. Every airline around the world has its issues, no job is the perfect job, but for some EK might be the better option than your current outfit.

EK and Dubai are what you make of them. If you want to moan and feel bitter about things, then you will probably do that wherever you lay your head.

Hi Dan, good to see you lurking in these forums, your fingers accidentally tap the wrong forum heading haha. Now I must go take out the Bentley and hope I donít scratch the Ferrari on the way out to Brunch, oh itís a EK Pilots life for me!

Happy Halloween

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Old 29th Oct 2017, 06:56   #99 (permalink)
 
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Desert Peregrin seconded!
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 08:16   #100 (permalink)
 
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I’m guessing none of you happy souls have been relocated to the MS labour camp and who are enjoying the delights of the South Americans and their 5am “samba”parties, like my mate is.
Being happy because you are used to being treated a certain way and housed a certain way is not the same, theres a city in Sweden that’s named after that particular affliction.
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