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Loyalty ? None here!
Key point to remember , " operational requirements ", fleet can do whatever they deem nessasary to man the fleets. Hence non MFF crew going onto the 380 now.
Key point to remember , " operational requirements ", fleet can do whatever they deem nessasary to man the fleets. Hence non MFF crew going onto the 380 now.
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Jammedstab , direct entry on the A380 may attract some pilots BUT stop others to apply... 
I am one of those , one of the main reason I am not considering to apply for Emirates is because you can not be sure on which type you will be flying and the only type I would be interested to fly ( at EK ) is the B777
I don't want to fly the A380
So you see we are all different and , as I keep saying to my wife , size doesn't matter
I am one of those , one of the main reason I am not considering to apply for Emirates is because you can not be sure on which type you will be flying and the only type I would be interested to fly ( at EK ) is the B777
I don't want to fly the A380
So you see we are all different and , as I keep saying to my wife , size doesn't matter
Taking it to extremes, you never saw BA advertising Concorde piloting jobs externally. BA had whole legions of pilots who'd made it their career goal to fly at BA with the sole aim of flying Concorde. They would do whatever it took to achieve that. And AFAIK in BA that simply meant being extremely good at their jobs.
Its far more basic than the above. Would you want to work for a company that would give a better job to someone outside rather than those that have already joined.
This seems to be the sticking point with many pilots in EK now. They joined on a fleet that was having the good rosters and with commands happening in good time, knowing that others already in the company were being shafted roster wise and had been waiting over 7yrs for a command opportunity. But hey, that ****e was happening to someone else right? Now that some of the less enjoyable flying and rostering practices are heading their way, and commands have slowed, they squeal like a halal pig.
380 rosters/lifestyle might be ok now, but EK history proves it doesn't take too long to change. It never seems to change for the good.
This seems to be the sticking point with many pilots in EK now. They joined on a fleet that was having the good rosters and with commands happening in good time, knowing that others already in the company were being shafted roster wise and had been waiting over 7yrs for a command opportunity. But hey, that ****e was happening to someone else right? Now that some of the less enjoyable flying and rostering practices are heading their way, and commands have slowed, they squeal like a halal pig.
380 rosters/lifestyle might be ok now, but EK history proves it doesn't take too long to change. It never seems to change for the good.
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Seriously??? Have you not ever heard of "Seniority"??? Maybe not....
You don't get the logic??? In the western world, Seniority rules everything. Like it or not, it is the answer to your lifestyle, roster (bids) etc. It's godly to the westerners... and is the reason one can simply move from a 320 to the 744 as it's the pilots prerogative... not the company's!!! Think about it: A pilot can actually request to move from the 320 to the 744 because he truly wants to fly that airplane at the base he desires for more money (bigger the airplane, bigger the pay check for the same seat). Nothing to do with the restrictions of the company.
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Seriously??? Have you not ever heard of "Seniority"??? Maybe not....
You don't get the logic??? In the western world, Seniority rules everything. Like it or not, it is the answer to your lifestyle, roster (bids) etc. It's godly to the westerners... and is the reason one can simply move from a 320 to the 744 as it's the pilots prerogative... not the company's!!! Think about it: A pilot can actually request to move from the 320 to the 744 because he truly wants to fly that airplane at the base he desires for more money (bigger the airplane, bigger the pay check for the same seat). Nothing to do with the restrictions of the company.
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You mean in MAJOR western companies (not so many good remaining anymore) everything is ruled by seniority? If so, you are right.
The MAJORITY of western companies does not respect a seniority system even if in place. A lot do not have such a system anymore. All died with some old dinosaurs around 2000(give/take a bit).
Still, I prefer to have non such system in place in Europe where I always may challenge the company(any, as long as in EU Europe based/run) by legal means.
That is not the case in any company in the ME or Asia.
And here we reach the point - WHY would EK not hire DEC directly on an 380(such an ugly beast with a major design flaw - it has to big fuel tanks
)?
They do what they want. You(the employees) should know above all other guys how airlines are run down there. We need a DEC, lets hire one. No pilot union is stepping on our toes. Nobody will change that, if I would have any desire to go down there, heck, I would go for a DEC position before sitting on a righthand seat for 5-8 years. That's how this kind of companies run and get people, that's how they keep afloat.
That's why there are so many of you down there, oportunities. No major in Europe is hiring anymore(or was ever) DEC's. And then again, that is why so many old guys are not leaving and coming back, because nobody would hire them as Captain on a widebody in Europe.
I don't believe a A380 is harder to fly then any other widebody in the world, maybe taxiing this ugly thing is the biggest challenge. And then again, if you stick to your (tailored) taxicharts it is not rocket sience.
You mean in MAJOR western companies (not so many good remaining anymore) everything is ruled by seniority? If so, you are right.
The MAJORITY of western companies does not respect a seniority system even if in place. A lot do not have such a system anymore. All died with some old dinosaurs around 2000(give/take a bit).
Still, I prefer to have non such system in place in Europe where I always may challenge the company(any, as long as in EU Europe based/run) by legal means.
That is not the case in any company in the ME or Asia.
And here we reach the point - WHY would EK not hire DEC directly on an 380(such an ugly beast with a major design flaw - it has to big fuel tanks
)?They do what they want. You(the employees) should know above all other guys how airlines are run down there. We need a DEC, lets hire one. No pilot union is stepping on our toes. Nobody will change that, if I would have any desire to go down there, heck, I would go for a DEC position before sitting on a righthand seat for 5-8 years. That's how this kind of companies run and get people, that's how they keep afloat.
That's why there are so many of you down there, oportunities. No major in Europe is hiring anymore(or was ever) DEC's. And then again, that is why so many old guys are not leaving and coming back, because nobody would hire them as Captain on a widebody in Europe.
I don't believe a A380 is harder to fly then any other widebody in the world, maybe taxiing this ugly thing is the biggest challenge. And then again, if you stick to your (tailored) taxicharts it is not rocket sience.
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I guess you understand that in a public forum I do not want to specify to much. But more or less I started medium jet, got command medium jet, went command heavy jet and returned to medium jet flying(and sticked with it).
And 10.000 hours later(mainly airline, all jet - except the SEP/MEP hours of training and for fun later on) here we are...Why?
And 10.000 hours later(mainly airline, all jet - except the SEP/MEP hours of training and for fun later on) here we are...Why?
Ahmed,
To light the fire you would need some spark. And that was stolen from this pilot group some time ago. Enjoy your course.
To light the fire you would need some spark. And that was stolen from this pilot group some time ago. Enjoy your course.
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Jammedstab , direct entry on the A380 may attract some pilots BUT stop others to apply...
I am one of those , one of the main reason I am not considering to apply for Emirates is because you can not be sure on which type you will be flying and the only type I would be interested to fly ( at EK ) is the B777
I don't want to fly the A380
So you see we are all different and , as I keep saying to my wife , size doesn't matter
I am one of those , one of the main reason I am not considering to apply for Emirates is because you can not be sure on which type you will be flying and the only type I would be interested to fly ( at EK ) is the B777
I don't want to fly the A380
So you see we are all different and , as I keep saying to my wife , size doesn't matter
....perhaps in the same manner that the 380 could be used to entice people over, EK could do the same with the 777 for guys keen on that type. Or they can stick with ATR F/O's which is still a long course anyways.
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It's always wound me up that pilots abilites are measured by hours ..
It's BS and for you to suggest that a 700hr 330 driver is any less competent than a 2000 guy is simply madness.
We've all met high hour hopeless cases and low hour aces.
Give me a 700hr enthused, conscientious keen to learn guy every day over a high hour guy who can't be arsed.
It the companies (high level management) fault this mess, not any individuals who are at the coal face.
Ps
Concorde wasn't a popular fleet in BA. Dozens if not hundreds of guys could have flown it from a senior point of view. It was effectively short haul with little variety and very low on allowances compared with the 744.
For every real pilot who was really passionate about it there were a whole bunch of guys who were simply keen to say they flew Concorde because of the ego - and why not...
It's BS and for you to suggest that a 700hr 330 driver is any less competent than a 2000 guy is simply madness.
We've all met high hour hopeless cases and low hour aces.
Give me a 700hr enthused, conscientious keen to learn guy every day over a high hour guy who can't be arsed.
It the companies (high level management) fault this mess, not any individuals who are at the coal face.
Ps
Concorde wasn't a popular fleet in BA. Dozens if not hundreds of guys could have flown it from a senior point of view. It was effectively short haul with little variety and very low on allowances compared with the 744.
For every real pilot who was really passionate about it there were a whole bunch of guys who were simply keen to say they flew Concorde because of the ego - and why not...
