New Crew Rostering System at EK
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Not so much to do with the new system but I wonder how many people have, like me, just wasted their September bid trying to get home to LGW (777 by the way).
Just had a call from an A380 buddy of mine wondering why he's off to LGW on the EK11 which wasn't supposed to be making the switch until January according to the press release.
I guess they need the 777 to do a turnaround that requires less crew!
Just had a call from an A380 buddy of mine wondering why he's off to LGW on the EK11 which wasn't supposed to be making the switch until January according to the press release.
I guess they need the 777 to do a turnaround that requires less crew!
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The "current" rostering system is an abomination... upgrading to abominationV.2 doesn't sound promising.
Having said that... I've been reading many an article lately on shift workers health, sleep deprivation, and Pilot health.... it's all not good.
The rosters we operate here at EK are unique in the airline industry, flying widebodies on short-haul, long-haul, and ULR all in the same month.. and at all hours of the day and night. It is in fact slowly killing us all at an alarming rate.
This may have been posted before, but I would encourage anyone with a few minutes to participate in the Harvard School of Medicine Pilot Health Survey.
Pilot Health Study
I can guarantee it will be far more effective, and seen by enlightened people who care, than the sorry excuse we have for a Fatigue Monitoring Program.
(run by the fox, guarding the chicken coop)
Having said that... I've been reading many an article lately on shift workers health, sleep deprivation, and Pilot health.... it's all not good.
The rosters we operate here at EK are unique in the airline industry, flying widebodies on short-haul, long-haul, and ULR all in the same month.. and at all hours of the day and night. It is in fact slowly killing us all at an alarming rate.
This may have been posted before, but I would encourage anyone with a few minutes to participate in the Harvard School of Medicine Pilot Health Survey.
Pilot Health Study
I can guarantee it will be far more effective, and seen by enlightened people who care, than the sorry excuse we have for a Fatigue Monitoring Program.
(run by the fox, guarding the chicken coop)
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Done. I hope 'we' get to see the results once the study is complete.
PS Our fatigue management programme is managed by an ex-FO who is Embry Riddle qualified. He pops into town once or twice a year.
PS Our fatigue management programme is managed by an ex-FO who is Embry Riddle qualified. He pops into town once or twice a year.
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And what or who is Embry Riddle. ( my survey is done as well)
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The 380 is doing 2 weeks of the EK11, presumably covering the end of hols/start of school rush. The 777 will then take it back until January.
There was a rumour of a permanent change now but my info is it's not happening.
H-D
The 380 is doing 2 weeks of the EK11, presumably covering the end of hols/start of school rush. The 777 will then take it back until January.
There was a rumour of a permanent change now but my info is it's not happening.
H-D
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From what l understand BA have reserve once a year. Not every ten months.
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Anyway, back to the topic - the new rostering system, we're all ducked!
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Someone mentioned the FRMS...what a laugh that program is.
On a similar medical subject...has anyone noticed the radiation monitoring program quietly went the way of the dodo? According to sources at the clinic, the figures exceeded anything anyone wanted to be aware of, and so it got put down.
Are you aware that a polar crossing is something in region of the equivalent of 4 X-rays; that UV radiation coming through the windscreen at high latitudes is 10 times more than you'll experience lying on the beach...and that companies like Virgin restrict their crews to 1 polar crossing every three months, whereas EK recently changed their policy to allow three ULR flights (no differentiation between 3x SD/AKL or 3 x LAX) per roster. NINE times more than Virgin allows.
Between serious fatigue and long term exposure to serious doses of radiation, flying for EK is indeed putting your health at risk.
I personally know of four EK pilots who have suffered brain aneurysms/strokes in the past three years. And those are just the ones I know about.
On a similar medical subject...has anyone noticed the radiation monitoring program quietly went the way of the dodo? According to sources at the clinic, the figures exceeded anything anyone wanted to be aware of, and so it got put down.
Are you aware that a polar crossing is something in region of the equivalent of 4 X-rays; that UV radiation coming through the windscreen at high latitudes is 10 times more than you'll experience lying on the beach...and that companies like Virgin restrict their crews to 1 polar crossing every three months, whereas EK recently changed their policy to allow three ULR flights (no differentiation between 3x SD/AKL or 3 x LAX) per roster. NINE times more than Virgin allows.
Between serious fatigue and long term exposure to serious doses of radiation, flying for EK is indeed putting your health at risk.
I personally know of four EK pilots who have suffered brain aneurysms/strokes in the past three years. And those are just the ones I know about.
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Quotes straight from the Jeppesen Crew Rostering brochure; check it out yourself: -
Jeppesen Crew Rostering
See - 'More Information' - 'Preferential Bidding'
"The key property of a preferential bidding system is that it allows the crew members to express and prioritize their lifestyle preferences"
"Bids can describe anything from detailed flight numbers to a complex combination of layover station, minimum rest-time, late check in, minimum credit time, etc. There are also various ways to express bids."
And what do we have? Something geared 100% to the airline and 0% to us. Well Alan, you can take your "help us to help you" crap somewhere else!
Jeppesen Crew Rostering
See - 'More Information' - 'Preferential Bidding'
"The key property of a preferential bidding system is that it allows the crew members to express and prioritize their lifestyle preferences"
"Bids can describe anything from detailed flight numbers to a complex combination of layover station, minimum rest-time, late check in, minimum credit time, etc. There are also various ways to express bids."
And what do we have? Something geared 100% to the airline and 0% to us. Well Alan, you can take your "help us to help you" crap somewhere else!
short flights long nights
Has anyone asked TCAS, why not publish rosters using the new system? I don't mean real rosters, but ' ghost rosters'. I have a good idea why they are not doing it.
Yes, that has been asked. The problem is with only 50% of people bidding, those that do will get pretty much exactly what they bid for, so it isn't realistic.
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I would say that the lack of interest in doing the parallel bid is a quiet way of saying we are over this place. It's all about giving, giving, giving and return we receive nothing. I can assure you I will not be doing the parallel bid for Sept.
It's my way of saying GFY.
It's my way of saying GFY.
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The way I read Squealies missive is " we have a stick that we are going to beat you with in November. We want to give you a few whacks with it first ,that you won't feel because we will use the current CRS ( COVERED REAR SYSTEM ) as a shield to ensure that the schedule is fully covered and prevent wholesale mutiny. What we want to be sure of is that when we take the cover away it's going to sting like hell"
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Under the FAQs at the Emirates banner and website is a question saying something along the lines why do EK pilots fly so hard.
The answer is every ULR is doubled crewed and no pilot is allowed to fly over 900 hours a year. Complete bullocks. I'm pretty close to 1000 hrs this year and with all the augmented flights I'll definitely be over 1000 hrs in the months to come.
The lies just keep on coming from the despicable airline.
The answer is every ULR is doubled crewed and no pilot is allowed to fly over 900 hours a year. Complete bullocks. I'm pretty close to 1000 hrs this year and with all the augmented flights I'll definitely be over 1000 hrs in the months to come.
The lies just keep on coming from the despicable airline.
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Putting in a dummy bid for EK is close to self flagellation.
50% however went for it!
The system is mature and has showed good results in a lot of companies. This however with no vindictive restrictions and, more importantly, sufficient crewing.
Ahhhhh, now you might understand the squealing .....
50% however went for it!
The system is mature and has showed good results in a lot of companies. This however with no vindictive restrictions and, more importantly, sufficient crewing.
Ahhhhh, now you might understand the squealing .....