New Crew Rostering System at EK
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The issue I have is I haven't found a way to add ADs to my bid. Seems like that is the only successful way I bid now days. I mean if we want to have consistent bidding from one system to the other, there must be a way We can do that. One PTY, one MCO, and one Euro trip would pretty much fill up the month. Well I guess if the goal is 100 hours it won't and with factoring.......gotta have those ADs. 
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So they're too lazy to enter in 4000 bids themselves? There is a team dedicated to this software so they should do it! What difference does it make if we do it or they do it unless there is something more sinister at play.
Loved the tone of the email though.
Loved the tone of the email though.
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testing not checking
...or with a couple of lines of code, copy the submitted bids to the empty bids and hey presto: a fully populated roster test ready to go. Perhaps they think the ones who did not submit their bids have held back some fiendish bid combination that could make the system fall over when it goes live...but no, that would indicate paranoia.
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Even if you really want to enter a parallel bid, how are you supposed to do one that matches your current one when the new system is so much worse, and so much more restricted than the current one.
I use over 100 lines in the current system. How can I 'parallel' this into 5 lines?
I use over 100 lines in the current system. How can I 'parallel' this into 5 lines?
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I wonder if the old system would work better/quicker if the number of bid request lines was restricted to five and the optimiser moved on after fulfilling the highest weighted request. I'm sure its been tried already, maybe.
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50% turn out not bad for a Co. that hasn't given a pay raise since 2008 - but rather than be appreciative of a pretty solid number...
... A threat ....because somehow it's now our our fault...
If they're going to pay $40m for Jepp to do this - then they should pay us to be their guinea pigs. I would be happy to do a shadow bid for an hourly overtime rate (oops scratch that - it's less than the normal)
Otherwise they can FRO.
No way, no chance, any of us should play ball unless paid for our services.
If you do the shadow bid, you are agreeing to work for free. Just remember the entity you are giving the gift to...the same one that gave you a 1.3% pay cut this year.
Because every other party involved in this ...fleet, Jepp, CRS help team, IT etc...are getting paid (or similar) but not you.
Bend over at their pleasure.
Pffft...
f.
... A threat ....because somehow it's now our our fault...
If they're going to pay $40m for Jepp to do this - then they should pay us to be their guinea pigs. I would be happy to do a shadow bid for an hourly overtime rate (oops scratch that - it's less than the normal)
Otherwise they can FRO.
No way, no chance, any of us should play ball unless paid for our services.
If you do the shadow bid, you are agreeing to work for free. Just remember the entity you are giving the gift to...the same one that gave you a 1.3% pay cut this year.
Because every other party involved in this ...fleet, Jepp, CRS help team, IT etc...are getting paid (or similar) but not you.
Bend over at their pleasure.
Pffft...
f.
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FFS... just hand in your resignation letter. Things become so much better then.
Who gives a F#ck about EK...their time has past....its over ladies and gents!!
Those who have spent any time here know its true...those who signed on within the past 3 years will realize what a massive mistake they've made.
Who gives a F#ck about EK...their time has past....its over ladies and gents!!
Those who have spent any time here know its true...those who signed on within the past 3 years will realize what a massive mistake they've made.
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Of course it's your fault fliiion, everything is your fault. The managment can do no wrong.
Careful Outlaw, Harry we be around to tell you how wrong you are.
Careful Outlaw, Harry we be around to tell you how wrong you are.
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What amazes me is that half of the pilots actually bothered to "trial" this new bidding system for management.
We have zero representation as a pilot group. This is a golden opportunity to stand together and show them our collective discontent. Make no mistake, they are not intending to improve your quality of life with this new system!
I will not assist them in shafting me even further...
We have zero representation as a pilot group. This is a golden opportunity to stand together and show them our collective discontent. Make no mistake, they are not intending to improve your quality of life with this new system!
I will not assist them in shafting me even further...
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5 Trips a Month
It's not a rostering system! To call it such is an insult to every pilot here. If I fly 15 trips a month and I get to pick 5 of which maybe 3 are awarded I might as well not bid. I mean 20-30% of my schedule is chosen by me, and EK picks 70-80%. Why bother bidding. Even top bid. Hey EK just build the lines how you want. Publish them on the 15th. Let us bid on those lines. And publish the results on the 18th. Everyone including yourselves would be happier.Though happier is relative in this case. IMHO
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50% is a red herring. They throw all sorts of BS into their emails to make the pilots think the individual reader is in a minority and in fact everything's going quite smoothly. Why else would they bother to quote the numbers... Apparently the real participation figure was <10% who wasted their personal time on the parallel bid.
I'm guessing some were new shiny joiners and the rest were the idle curious just off leave who'd had plenty of recent rest.
As always, simply more BS from the Crystal Phalace.
I'm guessing some were new shiny joiners and the rest were the idle curious just off leave who'd had plenty of recent rest.
As always, simply more BS from the Crystal Phalace.
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The reason for only 5 choices? Odds are you will only get 2-3 if that. The system will fill around awarded trips satisfying the company rules of min consecutive days off, max E/W, max consecutive late duties and to justify the mysterious FRMS system purchased. Quite obvious there is too few pilots to cover the commercial schedule. The only way for the company to cover the flying as best as possible is to not give any awards and just let the optimizer run without obstructions (pilot's lifestyle).
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Latest rumour is that it will be a maximum of 8 days off per month, with standbys covering the extra days that would have been off.
This apparently came from a recent wash up so I'm told.
This apparently came from a recent wash up so I'm told.
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That makes Sense.
I have never understood why they didn't do that sooner. They are obviously quite happy doing it to one fleet, and have no understanding whatsoever what it like to fly through both side of the clock month after month. What they see is it reduces the number of reserve pilots. However, it will make your schedule much more dynamic. If you get called out on an AD your next days trip will most likely be changed do to legality, and start a cascade of fun for the rest of the month. All 380 turns could then be covered by AD days no need to even roster those. Whatever training doesn't pick up just give it to an AD guy. Unfortunately, this is one rumor I see as very likely. I really really hope I'm wrong.
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If this is true, and it would not surprise me if it is, it is proof they have totally lost the plot. How can they expect you, with the hours you fly, and the times you do it, to have the same amount of days off, as a 7.30 to 15.30 Costa Dweller?
Total madness.
Total madness.
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Latest rumour is that it will be a maximum of 8 days off per month, with standbys covering the extra days that would have been off.
Not that i think they'd realise or care, but i certainly will!
Reserve on an ad-hoc basis was voted out when TCAS ran the vote to either keep it or have like the BA system once every second rotation.
From what l understand BA have reserve once a year. Not every ten months.
Reserve is one month, not five weeks.
They also get 8 days off pre-assigned that is pre-selected by the pilot.
As TCAS is leaving, then maybe so is the instilled reserve system?
halas
From what l understand BA have reserve once a year. Not every ten months.
Reserve is one month, not five weeks.
They also get 8 days off pre-assigned that is pre-selected by the pilot.
As TCAS is leaving, then maybe so is the instilled reserve system?
halas