New Crew Rostering System at EK
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Since they ditched the avoid I have been running about 50 lines a month just to try and avoid one destination.
Under the present system, I didn't manage it. In theory we all should be able to avoid one destination from the mid-bid group up but I never seemed to. Having just positive requests, fulfilled correctly, would require about 6 lines so in theory it should work.
So to the new system, sadly I have heard managers in Fleet talking about "the new reality" when discussing housing and rosters. It sounds like they are all being assimilated into the Borg. None of the "cost neutral" restrictions have been removed so we are getting a new calculator running the same old sums.
If the company is concerned about safety and QOL, remove all restrictions apart from an FRMS input.
So what do I expect from this new system? Nothing at all!
Einstein said:
"We can not solve our problems with the same level of thinking that created them" and
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
You can replace human in the expression above with the manager of your choice! Until there is a move from a dictatorial style to a win/win approach we are doomed to bend to the whims of the masters until we are freed from bondage and leave.
Under the present system, I didn't manage it. In theory we all should be able to avoid one destination from the mid-bid group up but I never seemed to. Having just positive requests, fulfilled correctly, would require about 6 lines so in theory it should work.
So to the new system, sadly I have heard managers in Fleet talking about "the new reality" when discussing housing and rosters. It sounds like they are all being assimilated into the Borg. None of the "cost neutral" restrictions have been removed so we are getting a new calculator running the same old sums.
If the company is concerned about safety and QOL, remove all restrictions apart from an FRMS input.
So what do I expect from this new system? Nothing at all!
Einstein said:
"We can not solve our problems with the same level of thinking that created them" and
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
You can replace human in the expression above with the manager of your choice! Until there is a move from a dictatorial style to a win/win approach we are doomed to bend to the whims of the masters until we are freed from bondage and leave.
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Dropp, having spent 18 years flying with the KLM group prior to EK, I can assure you the rostering system there is far superior to anything EK has. The union work rules guarantee that. How does a 7 day layover in São Paulo grab you?
You can swap, you can get more than one requested flight per year, the system just works differently. Without going into long details, a lot of it works on the fact that crewing and pilots work as a team, not as one way street from the company.
You can swap, you can get more than one requested flight per year, the system just works differently. Without going into long details, a lot of it works on the fact that crewing and pilots work as a team, not as one way street from the company.
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Fewer bids and fewer options, no seniority in lower bid groups and the same punitive restrictions ..... where's the new, where's the improvement?
The blind can see it through the sandstorm that it is only beneficiary to the company. Read the user guide precisely and your eyes will pop, even if you're blind from fatigue!
We have two options to show our discontent, both extremely important:
- Do NOT participate in the trial, especially because they do not disclose the trial roster.
- Do voice your displeasure via mail, with your specific concerns or disagreements.
We just might get their attention.
I specifically dislike that only one request would be fulfilled, second that with only preferences in bid groups 3 to 5, seniority is not considered.
I don't even want to mention the off day punishment with swapping to them, it has nothing to do with the new system, it is only punitive and vindictive and we all know from what despicable part this originates.
The blind can see it through the sandstorm that it is only beneficiary to the company. Read the user guide precisely and your eyes will pop, even if you're blind from fatigue!
We have two options to show our discontent, both extremely important:
- Do NOT participate in the trial, especially because they do not disclose the trial roster.
- Do voice your displeasure via mail, with your specific concerns or disagreements.
We just might get their attention.
I specifically dislike that only one request would be fulfilled, second that with only preferences in bid groups 3 to 5, seniority is not considered.
I don't even want to mention the off day punishment with swapping to them, it has nothing to do with the new system, it is only punitive and vindictive and we all know from what despicable part this originates.
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You forgot the 3rd option, Glofish...Resign!
Unlike options 1 and 2, it is guaranteed to achieve satisfaction.
Unlike options 1 and 2, it is guaranteed to achieve satisfaction.
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Jepp also has the ability to Avoid specific items such as destinations, longer trips, early departures, etc.
Not sure why this feature is not activated in the EK or QR systems.
Not sure why this feature is not activated in the EK or QR systems.
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Dropp,
A KLM pilot lives in their own country. Even their worst roster returns them after every flight to a country they love.
An EK pilot does not. Even in their best month an EK flight returns them to a country they tolerate, but will never love.
It appears certain people have forgotten that this is an expat airline and nobody moves to Dubai for Dubai.
Good luck with recruiting. The word is more than just 'out.'
A KLM pilot lives in their own country. Even their worst roster returns them after every flight to a country they love.
An EK pilot does not. Even in their best month an EK flight returns them to a country they tolerate, but will never love.
It appears certain people have forgotten that this is an expat airline and nobody moves to Dubai for Dubai.
Good luck with recruiting. The word is more than just 'out.'
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Everyone knows what is going on at EK now and it shows by who is joining.
When you resign it is one of the greatest feelings in your career. Try it you will like it.
When you resign it is one of the greatest feelings in your career. Try it you will like it.
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A KLM pilot lives in their own country. Even their worst roster returns them after every flight to a country they love.
An EK pilot does not. Even in their best month an EK flight returns them to a country they tolerate, but will never love.
It appears certain people have forgotten that this is an expat airline and nobody moves to Dubai for Dubai.
An EK pilot does not. Even in their best month an EK flight returns them to a country they tolerate, but will never love.
It appears certain people have forgotten that this is an expat airline and nobody moves to Dubai for Dubai.
With respect maybe you should have considered this before you joined. From KLM to EK was always going down hill
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Sorry Mr Angry, but I did not post that.
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we are powerless! to each of us to find the best response to this chaotic outfit. It has become so silly I don't take them seriously anymore and feel no threat
I see the end of the tunel.. YAY
I see the end of the tunel.. YAY
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Less than 50% of pilots put in a parallel bid!
Good job. It's to show them our displeasure with the new system and them not listening at all.
In a typical manner EK now builds up a threat: If you do not bid in parallel, the system can't be fine tuned and this will result in "poorer rosters than might otherwise be the case".
It can't be worse for us, so i guess they're still right, but it might be worse for them ......
(But the reaction is typical: You don't act the way we want, you get punished. Just as the hilarious and completely puerile statement concerning SEP's: You fed back that it is overloaded, so we took out the OM-E test and shoved it up yours in your free time! With the spin that they seemingly "reacted" to our wishes, only to punish us for raising an issue they effectively did not respond to.)
We want less restrictions, more bids, no privileges for special groups. We know this is possible with the same efficiency, that the unsatisfactory set up is basically only vindictive.
Good job. It's to show them our displeasure with the new system and them not listening at all.
In a typical manner EK now builds up a threat: If you do not bid in parallel, the system can't be fine tuned and this will result in "poorer rosters than might otherwise be the case".
It can't be worse for us, so i guess they're still right, but it might be worse for them ......
(But the reaction is typical: You don't act the way we want, you get punished. Just as the hilarious and completely puerile statement concerning SEP's: You fed back that it is overloaded, so we took out the OM-E test and shoved it up yours in your free time! With the spin that they seemingly "reacted" to our wishes, only to punish us for raising an issue they effectively did not respond to.)
We want less restrictions, more bids, no privileges for special groups. We know this is possible with the same efficiency, that the unsatisfactory set up is basically only vindictive.
Seems the "we can't show you the result as we are only trialling data input" may be porkies as well. Who would have guessed.
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It's unreal. In essence, they are effectively asking us to help them to shaft us even more. No chance. Funny how they always get caught out with their BS.
Never believe anything they say more
Never believe anything they say more
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