Emirates - The most unprofessional airlines ever
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Hello peeps,
Just wanted all share this incident that happened with me and a few other pilots with Emirates. This is definitely not the airlines anyone should join in the near future. There is no respect for pilots in the company and the management will skin you alive here. AT ALL COSTS STAY AWAY FROM EMIRATES.
I was invited for the screening for Dubai and i was told i will be given a online visa by Abdul Fahdil and his incompetent team of HR. Till my date of travel i didn't receive any visa or anything and as you are aware we pilots barely manage to get leave for any such screening from our present airlines it was all a waste. The only reply i got from that douchebag was this, "Hi,
Thank you for your e-mail. I am currently out-of-office (weekend) and will not be able to check my emails till Sunday. For candidates wishing to cancel their interview please also write to Premier Inn and cancel the room booking.
Thank you and Best Regards,
Abdul Fadhil
Flight Operations
Group Recruitment
Emirates Airline & Group". I must have mailed him atleast 5 times around 10 days from the date of travel that you haven't sent me the visa and the only reply i get from his is this ******* auto reply. This clearly shows that emirates doesn't care for pilots or they are either jealous of them. Another guy got selected in emirates went home and resigned from his company after 15 days gets a mail from emirates saying that sorry to inform you haven't been selected now. When the pilot asks for a reason the standard reply you get from them is emirates doesn't give any reasons. Anyways emirates is the lowest paid airlines in the middle east with poor rosters and a ****all management for pilots. If you want to feel what a prison is like sure come and join them or else stay away from this ****hole.
Just wanted all share this incident that happened with me and a few other pilots with Emirates. This is definitely not the airlines anyone should join in the near future. There is no respect for pilots in the company and the management will skin you alive here. AT ALL COSTS STAY AWAY FROM EMIRATES.
I was invited for the screening for Dubai and i was told i will be given a online visa by Abdul Fahdil and his incompetent team of HR. Till my date of travel i didn't receive any visa or anything and as you are aware we pilots barely manage to get leave for any such screening from our present airlines it was all a waste. The only reply i got from that douchebag was this, "Hi,
Thank you for your e-mail. I am currently out-of-office (weekend) and will not be able to check my emails till Sunday. For candidates wishing to cancel their interview please also write to Premier Inn and cancel the room booking.
Thank you and Best Regards,
Abdul Fadhil
Flight Operations
Group Recruitment
Emirates Airline & Group". I must have mailed him atleast 5 times around 10 days from the date of travel that you haven't sent me the visa and the only reply i get from his is this ******* auto reply. This clearly shows that emirates doesn't care for pilots or they are either jealous of them. Another guy got selected in emirates went home and resigned from his company after 15 days gets a mail from emirates saying that sorry to inform you haven't been selected now. When the pilot asks for a reason the standard reply you get from them is emirates doesn't give any reasons. Anyways emirates is the lowest paid airlines in the middle east with poor rosters and a ****all management for pilots. If you want to feel what a prison is like sure come and join them or else stay away from this ****hole.
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Well, that pretty much sums up the organizational side of things at EK.
Sorry that you got messed about.
If you're happy at your present gig treat it as a sign that it was never meant to be.
Sorry that you got messed about.
If you're happy at your present gig treat it as a sign that it was never meant to be.
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The HR side of recruitment has always been a total mess. Abdul probably went on leave, simple as that. They're as bad as the Accommodation Dept, perhaps worse.
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Another guy got selected in emirates went home and resigned from his company after 15 days gets a mail from emirates saying that sorry to inform you haven't been selected now. When the pilot asks for a reason the standard reply you get from them is emirates doesn't give any reasons.
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As someone mentioned the accommodation department with which I had an incredible adventure few years ago that developed into one of the biggest **** up aviation will remember and that ultimately costed me an incredible price in professional, economical and personal terms I kindly ask you if anyone on this forum pilot or cabin crew is willing to share privately if he had any dealings with Government building in Al Hudeiba and the infamous water pumps sitting on the roof.
My lawyer would particularly interested on the experience of a South African FO already resigned from EK that remained in the very same apartment for just one night before returning to temporary accommodation due to the same mental insanity inducing noise and vibrations I endured for 16 months with my newly married wife. That experience turned our till then happy life into a open eye nightmare with dire consequences.I would also like to mention the complete and crass incompetence of the EK clinic that notwithstanding clear evidence managed to miss a potentially life threatening pathology. They probably were too busy investigating my mental sanity
( that themselves put actually in jeopardy ) and managing my anger. 
Kafka could not have invented such a plot..my compliments EK management.
I'm being doing my part to raise awareness in regards of the complete lack of protection you suffer in being an EK employee and how helplessly you are the mercy of imbeciles managers in an almost complete legal vacuum. I would say that my work is paying off.. and I will continue as long as I will get compensation..one way or the other.
I take to occasion to inform Mr. Talking Horse of the following : the day will come.
My lawyer would particularly interested on the experience of a South African FO already resigned from EK that remained in the very same apartment for just one night before returning to temporary accommodation due to the same mental insanity inducing noise and vibrations I endured for 16 months with my newly married wife. That experience turned our till then happy life into a open eye nightmare with dire consequences.I would also like to mention the complete and crass incompetence of the EK clinic that notwithstanding clear evidence managed to miss a potentially life threatening pathology. They probably were too busy investigating my mental sanity
( that themselves put actually in jeopardy ) and managing my anger. Kafka could not have invented such a plot..my compliments EK management.
I'm being doing my part to raise awareness in regards of the complete lack of protection you suffer in being an EK employee and how helplessly you are the mercy of imbeciles managers in an almost complete legal vacuum. I would say that my work is paying off.. and I will continue as long as I will get compensation..one way or the other.
I take to occasion to inform Mr. Talking Horse of the following : the day will come.
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You don't have to stay in Company Accomodation
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Surely you could have just moved into the accommodation of your choice and taken the allowance. If you were newly married we assume you had now children. It isn't difficult to find a nice apartment in Dubai.
Had you been in a company vill I may get it but come on it's just an apartment was it worth your career?
Don't get me wrong both FZ anded have issues regarding the treatment of their staff but things like this are everyday occurrences in Dubai. No one does what they meant to, when they are meant to. the idea is that after a few years here you get it an just ignore the minutiae and get on with the enjoyable bits and take this as the fact that you aren't in Europe and this is part of the cost.
They don't care either way, you leave they just get another pilot. So the only people who lost were you and your wife.
Surely you could have just moved into the accommodation of your choice and taken the allowance. If you were newly married we assume you had now children. It isn't difficult to find a nice apartment in Dubai.
Had you been in a company vill I may get it but come on it's just an apartment was it worth your career?
Don't get me wrong both FZ anded have issues regarding the treatment of their staff but things like this are everyday occurrences in Dubai. No one does what they meant to, when they are meant to. the idea is that after a few years here you get it an just ignore the minutiae and get on with the enjoyable bits and take this as the fact that you aren't in Europe and this is part of the cost.
They don't care either way, you leave they just get another pilot. So the only people who lost were you and your wife.
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Thing..wow you are so smart in finding solutions ain't yo?
Unfortunately back in those days( Dubai melt down) the allowance was from a certain point in time given only to whom was to buy an apartment and not to rent one.
It started retroactively by one week from the date I made the request for the allowance.No surprise you start to become a tad paranoid. The place is ran on it.
I had no frikking plan to buy a single brick in the crumbling sand castle and that was not what was written on my contract.
Leaving a safe job in Europe to go to McDonalds Airlines proved the worst error..a fatal one.
Unfortunately back in those days( Dubai melt down) the allowance was from a certain point in time given only to whom was to buy an apartment and not to rent one.
It started retroactively by one week from the date I made the request for the allowance.No surprise you start to become a tad paranoid. The place is ran on it.
I had no frikking plan to buy a single brick in the crumbling sand castle and that was not what was written on my contract.
Leaving a safe job in Europe to go to McDonalds Airlines proved the worst error..a fatal one.
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All this reading has baffled me. So this is what is going on behind the "Fly Emirates Keep Discovering" airline.
I would really appreciate it if more pilots would share their experiences.
I would really appreciate it if more pilots would share their experiences.
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All this reading has baffled me. So this is what is going on behind the "Fly Emirates Keep Discovering" airline.
I would really appreciate it if more pilots would share their experiences.
I would really appreciate it if more pilots would share their experiences.
short flights long nights
I don't believe that some one could actually write that.
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TK over EK really?
Furb pilot
Well call me a bluff old traditionalist but we have a marvellous saying from home, 'Where there is a will there is a way!'
If you are being passed over for command, if you are being held back as an instructor, if your career is being fouled and the chain supports the perpetrators then I see cause. If you you are not being paid what you are meant to get in the contract, when you are meant to get it, then I also see cause.
However people coming on and whinging about having to work too hard, having to sit about on standby for longer, having to do medicals on days off or as in your case because the apartment didn't suit need their heads testing.
Personally and likely because I haven't had it easy. I am grateful if I get paid at the end of the month, can feed my family and have any form of future. So something like a noisy apartment. I would just move somewhere else, regardless of cost as being unemployed or having to work for someone like THY in your case does not make for a better situation than living in Dubai.
But hey you chose to leave, and that is your right so it's not like you stayed and whinged about it but I'm betting you didn't help your command prospects much by going to THY.
I sum your decision making process up as I would rather be at THY than UAE errm ok think we don't have that much to talk about then.
Glad it worked out so well for you!
Well call me a bluff old traditionalist but we have a marvellous saying from home, 'Where there is a will there is a way!'
If you are being passed over for command, if you are being held back as an instructor, if your career is being fouled and the chain supports the perpetrators then I see cause. If you you are not being paid what you are meant to get in the contract, when you are meant to get it, then I also see cause.
However people coming on and whinging about having to work too hard, having to sit about on standby for longer, having to do medicals on days off or as in your case because the apartment didn't suit need their heads testing.
Personally and likely because I haven't had it easy. I am grateful if I get paid at the end of the month, can feed my family and have any form of future. So something like a noisy apartment. I would just move somewhere else, regardless of cost as being unemployed or having to work for someone like THY in your case does not make for a better situation than living in Dubai.
But hey you chose to leave, and that is your right so it's not like you stayed and whinged about it but I'm betting you didn't help your command prospects much by going to THY.
I sum your decision making process up as I would rather be at THY than UAE errm ok think we don't have that much to talk about then.
Glad it worked out so well for you!
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Vortex , because you have "had it hard" and just happy to be paid at the end of the month is also your choice . Frankly , this seems to be the very attitude that has served to collectively lower the bar in this profession .
If any part of an agreement is not upheld , it is an issue . It is not just about money for most I would believe .
If any part of an agreement is not upheld , it is an issue . It is not just about money for most I would believe .
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I can live with it here, cause i do not
regard it as home. Never did, never will. Never!
I've chosen the expat life, because i had no other choice..
I opted out from the beginning, took the allowance and added it to my
salary. Beach view, pool, marina night life, why not.
120.000AED for the 2BR appartement, rest in my pocket.
Mini Airbus rosters were horrible, i was fatigued in a way
i never experienced before in my life.
Maxi Airbus rosters are fine for the moment, it's like flying
for another company within the company.
Wife is here, flies home at least once a month to visit the family
and i do the same. Coming from Europe
it is not always easy but manageable.
I decided to join EK with all it's pros and cons, cause i
will not stay forever anyway. I just fly the roster and take
the money. It's way more than at home, and way less than
it should be. They know it, they will never change it, and i know that.
They could do so much for us to make us a happy workforce.
Most of the stuff would be for free and easy to change.
They will not do it, never ever.
For me it still works because of the above mentioned reasons.
For many of my friends it would not work and
I tell them not to join. I warned them that they will become
unhappy within hours of joining.
Most of my friends have similar problems in
other countries with other airlines.
EVERY place has it's downsides, the grass only appears
to be better, but it isn't i suppose.
Dubai can be tough sometimes so be prepared.
Everything you read about it on this site is true!
If you think you could deal with it than go for it.
If you have any concerns about you and your wife and kids
being here, than i suggest not to come here.
Even in my short period of time things have changed, everything
became more difficult.
I will stay as long as it still works for me and the mrs, and leave as soon as it doesn't anymore.
regard it as home. Never did, never will. Never!
I've chosen the expat life, because i had no other choice..
I opted out from the beginning, took the allowance and added it to my
salary. Beach view, pool, marina night life, why not.
120.000AED for the 2BR appartement, rest in my pocket.
Mini Airbus rosters were horrible, i was fatigued in a way
i never experienced before in my life.
Maxi Airbus rosters are fine for the moment, it's like flying
for another company within the company.
Wife is here, flies home at least once a month to visit the family
and i do the same. Coming from Europe
it is not always easy but manageable.
I decided to join EK with all it's pros and cons, cause i
will not stay forever anyway. I just fly the roster and take
the money. It's way more than at home, and way less than
it should be. They know it, they will never change it, and i know that.
They could do so much for us to make us a happy workforce.
Most of the stuff would be for free and easy to change.
They will not do it, never ever.
For me it still works because of the above mentioned reasons.
For many of my friends it would not work and
I tell them not to join. I warned them that they will become
unhappy within hours of joining.
Most of my friends have similar problems in
other countries with other airlines.
EVERY place has it's downsides, the grass only appears
to be better, but it isn't i suppose.
Dubai can be tough sometimes so be prepared.
Everything you read about it on this site is true!
If you think you could deal with it than go for it.
If you have any concerns about you and your wife and kids
being here, than i suggest not to come here.
Even in my short period of time things have changed, everything
became more difficult.
I will stay as long as it still works for me and the mrs, and leave as soon as it doesn't anymore.
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Vortex , because you have "had it hard" and just happy to be paid at the end of the month is also your choice . Frankly , this seems to be the very attitude that has served to collectively lower the bar in this profession .
If any part of an agreement is not upheld , it is an issue . It is not just about money for most I would believe .
If any part of an agreement is not upheld , it is an issue . It is not just about money for most I would believe .
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Personally and likely because I haven't had it easy. I am grateful if I get paid at the end of the month, can feed my family and have any form of future.
"Come fly for Emirates. You even get paid."
It really is not hard to figure out why the industry is in the toilet when you see expectations as low as these.
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Vortex is the most pathetic person on prune and certainty has the worst post I have ever read.
I really hope you are not a pilot Vortex. Not wonder our profession isn't what it used to be with "men" like you.
I really hope you are not a pilot Vortex. Not wonder our profession isn't what it used to be with "men" like you.
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Thing.. Stone a Strato say you are the perfect example of what the problem with this profession seems to be today. People unwilling to stand up for their basic rights, over displaying gratitude, all flattered just for getting food on their table, for having "some sort" of future, self centered, uninterested of others, self serving.
But aren't you are providing a qualified professional service and giving non renewable time to a company that in exchange pays your dues?
They are not making you a favor my friend you are, to them, first.
Or you really have such a low opinion of your self and the whole category ?
Dubai is simply a place not really meant for human habitation and you cannot compare with a city with thousands of years of history center of two empires like Istanbul populated by real people with real lives surrounded by an incredibly rich culture.
I did enjoy the professional part of my Dubai experience and I did my best with the rest but it was a vain effort. I do pretty much enjoy my life in Istanbul and I do my best to give my contribution to the big changes and growth on their way.
A tad late I must admit..but hope you will be relieved knowing I'm on my upgrade course at the moment. I did have to fight for it and it was sure not easy. I did it for me and for others and we at least partially solved the problem..looking for further improvements. I did the same for my basic right to have a bit of serenity for my newly formed family in my contractual company provided accommodation in Dubai..I ended up in front of Syrian psychiatrist and endured a Calvary that I do not wish my worst enemy. Well..at least I'm certified mentally sane
But aren't you are providing a qualified professional service and giving non renewable time to a company that in exchange pays your dues?
They are not making you a favor my friend you are, to them, first.
Or you really have such a low opinion of your self and the whole category ?
Dubai is simply a place not really meant for human habitation and you cannot compare with a city with thousands of years of history center of two empires like Istanbul populated by real people with real lives surrounded by an incredibly rich culture.
I did enjoy the professional part of my Dubai experience and I did my best with the rest but it was a vain effort. I do pretty much enjoy my life in Istanbul and I do my best to give my contribution to the big changes and growth on their way.
A tad late I must admit..but hope you will be relieved knowing I'm on my upgrade course at the moment. I did have to fight for it and it was sure not easy. I did it for me and for others and we at least partially solved the problem..looking for further improvements. I did the same for my basic right to have a bit of serenity for my newly formed family in my contractual company provided accommodation in Dubai..I ended up in front of Syrian psychiatrist and endured a Calvary that I do not wish my worst enemy. Well..at least I'm certified mentally sane
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