Thoughts about Emirates
Alu Shuffler,
The term you seek is "industrial psychopath", also, many like-minded individuals of Antipodean extraction used too inhabit the ranks of the EK training dept.
That being said, psychopath is such a pejorative term and having spoken to a friend of mine in the mental health profession, no not my therapist, he is of the opinion that they are closer to sociopaths.
The term you seek is "industrial psychopath", also, many like-minded individuals of Antipodean extraction used too inhabit the ranks of the EK training dept.
That being said, psychopath is such a pejorative term and having spoken to a friend of mine in the mental health profession, no not my therapist, he is of the opinion that they are closer to sociopaths.
These would be the same fellas that stood up to Timbo in the pilots meeting in 2000 and ensured the FOs were not shafted by a raising in the command hours to allow DECs. Because of them the "new" command requirements were withdrawn within a week.
Perhaps we could do with some more of them?
These would be the same fellas that stood up to Timbo in the pilots meeting in 2000 and ensured the FOs were not shafted by a raising in the command hours to allow DECs. Because of them the "new" command requirements were withdrawn within a week.
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Sorry
MM and Fatty Yup my bad. I apologize as the argument was about Delta and US carriers I mistakenly included Delta a US carrier. I will try to follow along more closely next time as to be less disingenuous and irrelevant as well as more inclusive to the other 93%. I do like your house better MM. Plebs unite!
120, no need to apologise, I think your house is much nicer, the lawn needs a bit of NPK, but apart from that 
Also the realtor looks like a lovely lady, much nicer than the northern (UK) salmon shirt wearing, 3 series BMW driving, faux gucci sunglass wearing real estate spiv that would be selling the other address! The US of A isn't the UAE nor is it OZ, the EU or the UK which is my point. You cannot compare apples with lemons, fortunately there appears to be a continual stream of us with enough foresight to be exiting at a suitable rate, they are in effect taking TCAS at his word. For me personally, I am taking EK for every fil that I can get my grubby hands on, in return they get 0 loyalty, maximum inflexibility and absolutely 0 f£cks are given on any work day.
Also the realtor looks like a lovely lady, much nicer than the northern (UK) salmon shirt wearing, 3 series BMW driving, faux gucci sunglass wearing real estate spiv that would be selling the other address! The US of A isn't the UAE nor is it OZ, the EU or the UK which is my point. You cannot compare apples with lemons, fortunately there appears to be a continual stream of us with enough foresight to be exiting at a suitable rate, they are in effect taking TCAS at his word. For me personally, I am taking EK for every fil that I can get my grubby hands on, in return they get 0 loyalty, maximum inflexibility and absolutely 0 f£cks are given on any work day.
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I dunno Don, I wasn't there, obviously you were and are far more enlightened than the rest of us plebs
That's probably a part of the problem - you weren't there and you don't know. Maybe listen to someone who was instead of indulging your xenophobic side. Your ignorance of the not-so-distant past and the ground that was lost or made is no excuse for self-centered promotion of disunion.
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Thank you very much for the post, it's always great to have information before we make a decision, I am in a little crossroad here, I have the option to join any of the 2 in Dubai, FZ and EK. I have done and pass both i'm just waiting for joining date.
my friends in EK are not very happy but they keep telling me that things will be better in 1 or 2 years, and they told me that it's better than FlyDubai where conditions are getting worse.
I have not decided yet where to move, I even consider staying in my turboprop and looking for a good commuting contract, but I think in the long run is better to move on from my current position.
Can someone please tell me what do you think about EK vs FZ??or shall I really forget about both and look for something else. I am really confused and I really need to think this seriously because the bond, moving family etc...
my friends in EK are not very happy but they keep telling me that things will be better in 1 or 2 years, and they told me that it's better than FlyDubai where conditions are getting worse.
I have not decided yet where to move, I even consider staying in my turboprop and looking for a good commuting contract, but I think in the long run is better to move on from my current position.
Can someone please tell me what do you think about EK vs FZ??or shall I really forget about both and look for something else. I am really confused and I really need to think this seriously because the bond, moving family etc...
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Emirates is going to get better in 1 to 2 years? Have they gone mad? Emirates will never get better. The same loonies said 5-7 years ago that the airline can't keep going at this pace and that was before they took away our productivity by raising the hrs to 92 and limited our vacation to 30 days max with most lucky to get 21-24 days when they don't want leave.
Any American seriously considering staying at EK while the US majors are hiring 100 pilots a month is also Mad. What would they stick around for, a serious health issue? Don't worry EK will deliver that for you no problem.
Any American seriously considering staying at EK while the US majors are hiring 100 pilots a month is also Mad. What would they stick around for, a serious health issue? Don't worry EK will deliver that for you no problem.
I must admit I don't see anything changing, be it in 2 years or 10. The problems of high hours and no leave have been around for over a decade. It now, however, touches a greater percentage of the pilot group.
Ek consider how things are now the norm. If they change something for the better, it would need to be paid back somehow, or else we would be considered stealing. They steal 10 hrs of productivity from each pilot every month with no guilt. Yet will contact a pilot who has been off sick to remind him he is stealing from the company by not being productive. The company has set deadlines for the issue of leave, and for the past 4 years has not been able to stick to them. Instead we get an email after working hours, the day prior to a weekend saying tough luck, they are still working on it. Six years ago we received an email stating we were short of pilots, and for that year only, we would only get 30 days leave. Since that time, the 30 days has become the target. Manpower Planning crew us to achieve this. When the leave is eventually announced, they will also congratulate themselves on almost achieving 30 days of leave for most pilots. This is how EK works. They don't care.
If you are flying turbo-props now, you will join on the 777. It is taking all of the undesirable flying that the 330 is doing now. All 330s are gone by APR 17. Now, the 777 life isn't going to get as night time centric as what the 330 was, as there is a far greater group to share the cr@p. But the days of 78 hours and 16 days off will never be seen again.
In two to three years the fellas joining now will be writing on here about how things have gotten worse. And about how they would never have moved their families here if they knew what was going to happen. In the same way that fellas that joined two to three years ago are doing now.
Ek consider how things are now the norm. If they change something for the better, it would need to be paid back somehow, or else we would be considered stealing. They steal 10 hrs of productivity from each pilot every month with no guilt. Yet will contact a pilot who has been off sick to remind him he is stealing from the company by not being productive. The company has set deadlines for the issue of leave, and for the past 4 years has not been able to stick to them. Instead we get an email after working hours, the day prior to a weekend saying tough luck, they are still working on it. Six years ago we received an email stating we were short of pilots, and for that year only, we would only get 30 days leave. Since that time, the 30 days has become the target. Manpower Planning crew us to achieve this. When the leave is eventually announced, they will also congratulate themselves on almost achieving 30 days of leave for most pilots. This is how EK works. They don't care.
If you are flying turbo-props now, you will join on the 777. It is taking all of the undesirable flying that the 330 is doing now. All 330s are gone by APR 17. Now, the 777 life isn't going to get as night time centric as what the 330 was, as there is a far greater group to share the cr@p. But the days of 78 hours and 16 days off will never be seen again.
In two to three years the fellas joining now will be writing on here about how things have gotten worse. And about how they would never have moved their families here if they knew what was going to happen. In the same way that fellas that joined two to three years ago are doing now.
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Been here 14 years, other than the early days of the 345 where we were getting 20/30 hours productively pay for a few months, things have progressively gotten worst. Unfortunately I don't see things ever improving.
Those that come have no excuses . Plenty of non bias info out there. People need to educate themselves and their families.
As someone pointed out , most pilots now only care about how to get the most out of company and don't care about EK. Shame but true and can't blame them. I'm one of them.
Those that come have no excuses . Plenty of non bias info out there. People need to educate themselves and their families.
As someone pointed out , most pilots now only care about how to get the most out of company and don't care about EK. Shame but true and can't blame them. I'm one of them.
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EK is wanting to hire between 600-700 pilots this year. They will lose between 400-500 as a best guess. I think you will see the leaving numbers go up as summer approaches. So given more 380's coming on line, they are basically "maintaining" current staffing levels. So they are not looking to nor wanting to improve conditions. They appear quite happy saving $ at the cost of pilots health and welfare. I, foresee no change except perhaps a further lowering of standards and an increase in training time for new hires.
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120feet/troff
Even 400 would equate to more then 1 pilot per day resigning. A lot are leaving but not that many. As for the 159 figure troff, not sure where that's come from. Since the requirement for hours/experience has changed, the number of applicants has changed dramatically. Recent courses are now starting with 14-16 students each week. They need 500-600 this year. With the current rate, they'll achieve that target.....or at least close to it. The 159 would mean only 3 per week. That might have been so last year but now that's simply way out.
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Even 400 would equate to more then 1 pilot per day resigning. A lot are leaving but not that many. As for the 159 figure troff, not sure where that's come from. Since the requirement for hours/experience has changed, the number of applicants has changed dramatically. Recent courses are now starting with 14-16 students each week. They need 500-600 this year. With the current rate, they'll achieve that target.....or at least close to it. The 159 would mean only 3 per week. That might have been so last year but now that's simply way out.
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Harry I agree with you that currently EK is losing one a day. However, I do expect the number to increase over summer after school term and bonus this has traditionally been when most leave. So that would mean an extra 44 pilots resigning over summer. I expect the number to be higher. But it's just a guess. My point was not if EK was "meeting its goal", but if the "goal" was hiring enough pilots to offer relief to the overworked. The answer is no. The TP pilots will dry up shortly, and EK will again have to lower their requirements to something just above ATPL or even frozen. Making every Captain a flight instructor. EK feels they will always be able to feed the machine, so they are not interested in improving QAL. They simply don't care. Not sure if you heard the great silence from fleet. That should be enough. For those joining, remember it will never be as good at EK as when you came. It's been that way for ten years. Understand, you will continuously work harder and longer with fewer days off. If anyone has heard of planned improvements in work rules, hours, or rosters then kindly correct me.
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Contractual tickets
It strikes me that this piece of **** company has turned into a replica of any LOCO. Saved an AL-ticket to go skiing and got bumped just because they overbooked Bizz-class. Not even would they let me go through to the gate before one hour before departure. One of the few contractual written in stone-things that we have left, and there, f... me, not even that is reliable anymore. And yes, before the trolls come out and have a go at me for being pissed for travelling for free in monkey class, go f... yourselves.... **** bucket just tipped, resignation in progress!
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yup
Latest change to travel benefit. Captain and FO and their families can be downgraded with no compensation. Happened to me. Was told "Sorry Captain Emirates over booked the flight." Apparently this was my problem. So I was downgraded to economy middle seat, for flight back to US. Was offered same flight the following day. Asked if I would get my lost day of vacation back if I took it. The answer was,"No." Hello tomorrow. If it was a return to DXB I would have been SKF for next flight. Contracts really do mean nothing here.
