Dust off those ASR and Fatigue Forms Boys
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I think you wil find that the ones complaining the most are commuters. It means the chances of a quick home visit was possible on a 48 layover. It also is looking like more restrictions to rosters , smaller blocks of days off. AAR does not like commuters, it would seem it's becoming more and more difficult to do.
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Mr Angry, EK does recommend sleep/rest patterns for all ULR pairings, although they are apparently produced by people who have only ever done one from the comfort of a first class suite and therefore didn't find it the least bit tiring.
Fatty, the 380 fellas I know are horrified at the prospect of a 24hr layover in IAH and none of those are commuters. Fortunately on the tractor there were/are enough septics who want their fill of homeless people to take any US trips that turn up on my roster.
A bit misguided there Mutts.
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You said Delta only gets 24 hours in DXB. That is not true. The stews get 24 hours but the pilots get 48 hours. Also before George Bush unilaterally raised the pilot retirement age to 65 in Dec of 07 no pilot from any airline could fly in US airspace if he was over age 60. As for today no pilot over age 65 can fly in US airspace so the Aussie pilots when they hit age 65 have to fly domestic.
Also US airlines adhere to FAA Regs all the time no matter where they fly to.
24 hour layover has to be a typo but will watch this space.
You said Delta only gets 24 hours in DXB. That is not true. The stews get 24 hours but the pilots get 48 hours. Also before George Bush unilaterally raised the pilot retirement age to 65 in Dec of 07 no pilot from any airline could fly in US airspace if he was over age 60. As for today no pilot over age 65 can fly in US airspace so the Aussie pilots when they hit age 65 have to fly domestic.
Also US airlines adhere to FAA Regs all the time no matter where they fly to.
24 hour layover has to be a typo but will watch this space.
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AC, you are 100% incorrect. The DXB layover is 24 hours for the Delta pilots. Wrong again about age 60. Foreign pilots WERE flying into the US before the U.S. age limit was raised. BTW, the Delta layover used to be 72, then 54, then 48, and now 24. The pilots complained that they didn't want to spend that much down time away from home. It's been 24 for at least three years or so. As you said, US pilots have to fly under FAA regs no matter where they fly. Well sadly, same for us having to fly under GCAA regs wherever we fly.
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If it is a computer error/typo (and I really hope it is) the sad part is that our first thought is not "must be a mistake" but "here we go again".
Our expectations of the company really have sunk to an all time low.
Our expectations of the company really have sunk to an all time low.
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Personally I don't think the layover being 24 hours is the issue. The issue is after doing 14+ hours, 24 hours off, then 14+ hours return, you then regularly ONLY get 48 hours off followed my a night return duty which I can guarantee wouldn't happen to any other unionised Airline crew on this planet.
And that to me is the tiring part, the lack of rest after the pairing.
And that to me is the tiring part, the lack of rest after the pairing.
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Once Bitten - I agree. I could do 24 hour layovers but not with 90 plus hours a month. It is the RECOVERY time that is the issue and at EK we don't get it. We fly a ULR, flip to a night flight, then a morning departure etc etc.
80 hours or less per month (as most carriers fly) and you can do a 24 hour layover.
80 hours or less per month (as most carriers fly) and you can do a 24 hour layover.
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Exactly correct! It's just the time between trips in general that really kills the attitude (and body fatigue).
I know one US carrier whose bid sheet I saw from a colleague leaving EK having a 3 day trip from a large US city over to a large Chinese City, with a 24 hour layover and then back to the US…. followed by 8-9 days off.
Those boys did three of those trips and the rest as off days. Still got about 80-some hours those months (or maybe had to throw in a turn for productivity :-)
So…. its 9 days on, 21 days off. Hmmm….
Kap
Exactly correct! It's just the time between trips in general that really kills the attitude (and body fatigue).
I know one US carrier whose bid sheet I saw from a colleague leaving EK having a 3 day trip from a large US city over to a large Chinese City, with a 24 hour layover and then back to the US…. followed by 8-9 days off.
Those boys did three of those trips and the rest as off days. Still got about 80-some hours those months (or maybe had to throw in a turn for productivity :-)
So…. its 9 days on, 21 days off. Hmmm….
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One has to suspect that with rosters being delivered up against the publication limit, crews on max hours, the computer glitch of a 24hr layover, it's all beginning to stack up to suggest that quality checks and quality control is being tested to the limit. Gut feeling - Crew numbers creaking?
