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Old 28th Jan 2015, 02:32   #101 (permalink)
 
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Been hearing rumours of huge deductions from the EOSB or provident fund if the Gardens of the company accom villa is't returned to its origin state or Maintenance haven't inspected it prior to vacating.

Has anyone had any issues with this and can pass on their experience?
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 04:57   #102 (permalink)
 
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friend of mine was charged 10000 AED to remove trees that were already there when he moved in
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 06:10   #103 (permalink)
 
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Reading these posts is like attending an afternoon tea party with a bunch of 60 year old gossiping women.

You will be required to put the villa back to it's original state. Every occupier has to do this. Some people may have been given the option to take the garden as is but, when they leave, are still responsible for clearing it again if the next tenant doesn't want the trees, grass, built in BBQ and Olympic pool. All three parties need to be in mutual agreement and a contract will be signed to such effect. It's not always available however, my case being one such example where we too had to remove all foliage and trees that were not part of the original sand pit. It's not a very 'green' policy and hardly in line with the EMvironment bullshit that's spouted about on the EK PR machine and SAFA magazine. I also suspect that certain staff in accommodation department have a nice commission earner for getting in the same Companies to clear it all. In total we paid around 4000 dhs to have the garden done, some internal doors replaced, some rooms painted and glue removed from where we had carpets down. We'd been advised not to re paint ourselves as the Company would still do it anyway and charge us. That was good advice. In all, I think the cost was very reasonable and half of what we'd budgeted for.

But, back to the tea party, the dramatic use of the word 'huge' deductions is hardly appropriate, especially when the EOSB and Provident fund are independent from salary deductions. Perhaps a chat with those in the department will shine some more light on the process and procedures to follow.

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Old 1st Feb 2015, 15:23   #104 (permalink)
 
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Back to topic

Any recommendations for a short term, 2 -3 weeks serviced place while doing final out clearance?
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Old 5th Feb 2015, 11:35   #105 (permalink)
 
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Many people I know are happy here. Come on guys, the pay is still better than the United States. You'll just miss home. But since I just have a wife and no kids.. I might feel that way. I do see some future here at EK.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 11:32   #106 (permalink)
 
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Tom you are seriously out of touch if you think the pay is better at Emirates than a major.
Not only is the pay better the conditions are heaps better in the US.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 12:22   #107 (permalink)
 
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Come on guys, the pay is still better than the United States.
Senior DAL captains are making $400,000/year in come cases. 6th and 7th year F.O.s are making $200,000/year.

EK certainly pays better than the regionals and the LCCs, but the gap between them and the U.S. majors is widening substantially over the long term.


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Old 6th Feb 2015, 12:54   #108 (permalink)
 
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Pay

Folks

tom330 is a new kid on the block, as he has admitted somewhere else on PPRuNe. Give him a chance to see what the real costs are in DXB, and then maybe sense will prevail.

Glad I am no longer in the desert ..................
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 13:41   #109 (permalink)
 
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Reading these posts is like attending an afternoon tea party with a bunch of 60 year old gossiping women.
Well at least now we know what you look like, harry!

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Old 7th Feb 2015, 16:36   #110 (permalink)
 
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Only once a year do I wear a 'skirt' and that's tartan! Still a few more years yet before 60.........

As for the pay issue, seen the Delta pay scales, $280 an hour give or take for a 12 year Captain on the B777/747. (max 12 year scale). Assuming 800 hrs per year, I make that $225K? Tax deductions from that? Commuting too maybe?

12 years EK, (9 years Captain with possible 11 more pay scales to go) $215K with housing allowance. Have not included education allowance, subsidised family medical or Company contribution of 15% into provident fund. That latter adds another $22K alone. Colleague here 17 years, TRE. He pulls in just under $300k including housing and PF contribution.

Working harder for sure but pay.........you do the math!

Don't worry AC, just 13 months to utopia!

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Old 7th Feb 2015, 17:53   #111 (permalink)
 
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All US legacies are paid hourly rates to include full pay for: Holding, PPC, De-icing (both on and off the gate), Distance learning, Jury Duty etc. As well as getting full pay for being displaced if your trip is taken by a "TRE" (Check airman) to be used for training (and no AD's in place of either!)

I also don't think the wide body captains fly anywhere near 800 plus hours per year.

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Old 7th Feb 2015, 18:28   #112 (permalink)
 
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Basic for the Legacy guys? No, the $280 per hour is what they get. So, if the wide body skippers do less than 800 hours per year, I guess that's even less cash to pay off the 3rd wife! 700 hours would be under $200k. And I wonder how long it took those guys to reach the 12 year scale on the big planes? 10 year B777 F/O I think was around $180? Doing 800 hours makes $144k, quite a way from the $200k quoted. And again, all before tax and deductions.

Jury duty in Dubai? Now that would be interesting! As for deicing, again, not much call for that in the Gulf. All interesting points but hardly run of the mill every day events to plan your pay on, is it? Holding however......now that's a different story altogether!

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Old 7th Feb 2015, 19:03   #113 (permalink)
 
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Happy to be corrected but I believe the big American carriers guarantee a minimum monthly hours payment (70 rings a bell) whether you fly 70 or not.
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Old 8th Feb 2015, 02:57   #114 (permalink)
 
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US Legacy pilots get their guarantee every month if they fly it or not! Also if you fly International you get some type of override ($4+ per block hour depending on carrier) you also have trip rigs that allow you to fly lets say a 4 day trip that blocks 15 hours in those 4 days but you actually get credit for 25. If you fly over guarantee, most legacies pay that at 150%+ per credit hour!
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Old 8th Feb 2015, 03:28   #115 (permalink)
 
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I don't know why pilots keep comparing Emirates to major airlines. There is no comparison.

Here are just a sample of the items in Major airline contracts;
Green slip
Equipment pay
Canx pay
Vacation pay
Sick pay
Equipment substitution pay
Trip credit
Duty Regs
Night pay
Int'l pay
Holiday pay
Trips missed
Paternity leave
And the list goes on and on......

As has been mentioned the FOs are making over $200,000 a year working less than 75 hours a month. Some Capts are approaching $400,000 working 10 days a month.
I don't know how anyone can compare the airlines unless they have an unforeseen agenda they are trying to drive home.
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Old 8th Feb 2015, 08:02   #116 (permalink)
 
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What you also seem to forget is that the cost of living in the US compared to Dubai makes any direct salary comparison totally pointless. I am sure that a 3 bedroom house in a nice area of any city in the US does not cost USD1.2mil.
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Old 8th Feb 2015, 09:06   #117 (permalink)
 
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Hey everybody,

The name of the thread is EK Resignation Tips
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Old 8th Feb 2015, 09:53   #118 (permalink)
 
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Cat3a,

Good catch. I'm guessing 8 weeks profit share and a 5% increase in base pay.
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Old 8th Feb 2015, 12:28   #119 (permalink)
 
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I dont want to thread bomb this post, im not working for EK. Im interested in knowing where EK Captains are going after life at EK ?

I work in Hong Kong, and am paid to live away from home, breath the pollution and put up with the locals. My tax bill was around US$400.000 last year, all in (inc my mortage payments) Take away the 15% tax and its prob similar to EK. But im not sure. Point is, its unloving place to work, hard nosed management and intolerant to expats like me. Same as middle east ?

Good luck to those bailing out .

Home is where the heart is, you cant take those $$$ with you !
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Old 8th Feb 2015, 22:53   #120 (permalink)
 
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Gents. A little more thread creep here if you don't mind. Harry's figures, in my opinion are off. One will be taxed on the housing allowance here at EK if one is a US citizen. We are comparing a 92/mo to an average 80/mo (not hard flying due to rigs). So even adding the imputed income of not paying taxes on the first 100k, and adding to a US salary the monthly mortgage rate of a modest 3 bedroom house (not in NYC, SFO or LAX), can't include educational allowance because free education in the US, my figures come to five year narrow body domestic captain at all three major legacies.


One also has to remember that the number of retirements at the legacies that five year captains to that point is NOT out of the question.


So here we are......Wide bodied international captains, and for me 10 years, flying into some would say war zones, challenging airports, flying close to 900 hours a year, lack of contractual, what you probably thought, full leave, 8-10 days off a month, majority of rotations with one sector on the back side of the clock, vacation awarded at four days at a time, no cost of living increases, sick leave that at times has to be paid back later in the month, at the "world's most admired international, we do it better than anyone because of our planes and route structure, top tiered airline" making essentially US narrow bodied domestic 600 or so hours a year captain's pay. And at some Legacies, top range first officer pay.


Options have come available for moi, so this SHOULD be my last year here. Thank you AAR, etal, for turning a dream job into a labor camp type environment job. This is not to denigrate those who have little or no options. The one positive I can say is, not once has the monthly remuneration been late or less than expected. But then again, the Legacies are on time too.
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