Upheaval in the (EK) Bouncy Castle?
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What provoked the Long Knives? Feel free to jump in with devilishly clever innuendo and blindingly obvious guesses but maybe someone actually knows? It would be interesting.
The fall of the original TC, "K", was pretty entertaining.
The fall of the original TC, "K", was pretty entertaining.
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I'm not usually given to schadenfreude, but anything that causes some useless oxygen thief in EGHQ to have even a slight appreciation of the extreme roster instability that every line pilot has every month, is fine by me.
Fire them all. It would free up a whole lot of parking spaces in that useless parking structure.
Fire them all. It would free up a whole lot of parking spaces in that useless parking structure.
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Maybe you should all write your suggestions for improvements. Even if you post them here (and not send them directly to your managers), we know that top management is reading you, so why not use the advantage of anonymous education of your managers?
You will not be exposed, and they will not feel too proud to "be taught" how to improve things. I am sure that they have difficulties to determine where to begin with changes and since unions are forbidden, they don't have your feedback. I think it is a good idea to provide them some suggestions, not only complaints (through surveys).
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You will not be exposed, and they will not feel too proud to "be taught" how to improve things. I am sure that they have difficulties to determine where to begin with changes and since unions are forbidden, they don't have your feedback. I think it is a good idea to provide them some suggestions, not only complaints (through surveys).
Dragana
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No. She may have been unfairly dismissed some time ago.
Ever wonder why some well known fellas don't post anymore? It's not that anonymous.
The don
Ever wonder why some well known fellas don't post anymore? It's not that anonymous.
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Yes, I am new. But not new to the world and its ways of functioning.
There is a difference between complaints and suggestions. If you criticize something, it doesn't mean that the person to whom you're complaining to will automatically know HOW to change it. Some people are not capable to understand complaints, some are not skilled enough, some are not imaginative enough (especially in EK). Suggestions in the form of "you should do that and that because of that and that and it will result in that and that" (not "we want that and that") may show some results.
It's easy to register a new account and hide its IP if you're worried about your identity being exposed (and I don't blame you, EK is well known for firing people for writings on the internet).
You can, also, send me suggestions and I will publish them.
Employees of one company are all there to make the company running successfully not to ruin it. You all have interest in a good company's profit, so nobody can treat suggestions as a threat if they are smart. And they have to be smart if they want their company to last.
Just my two cents after reading (and enjoying your sense of humour) your forum.
All the best, guys.
But not new to the world and its ways of functioning.There is a difference between complaints and suggestions. If you criticize something, it doesn't mean that the person to whom you're complaining to will automatically know HOW to change it. Some people are not capable to understand complaints, some are not skilled enough, some are not imaginative enough (especially in EK). Suggestions in the form of "you should do that and that because of that and that and it will result in that and that" (not "we want that and that") may show some results.
It's easy to register a new account and hide its IP if you're worried about your identity being exposed (and I don't blame you, EK is well known for firing people for writings on the internet).
You can, also, send me suggestions and I will publish them.
Employees of one company are all there to make the company running successfully not to ruin it. You all have interest in a good company's profit, so nobody can treat suggestions as a threat if they are smart. And they have to be smart if they want their company to last.
Just my two cents after reading (and enjoying your sense of humour
) your forum.All the best, guys.
It's not that anonymous, but the fact that there are snitches in the ranks doesn't help either (that goes for flight deck as well as the cc)
This campaign for better treatment is all well and good, but I think the point being missed is- there is no such thing as unfair dismissal here, anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously living in fantasyland if they think they can take on the 'system' here and win... we are not living in the UK or US or Australia or Europe...
No offence, Dragana, but you of all people should know that is not how it is here... until the idea comes from inside the bouncy castle, it will not happen.
This campaign for better treatment is all well and good, but I think the point being missed is- there is no such thing as unfair dismissal here, anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously living in fantasyland if they think they can take on the 'system' here and win... we are not living in the UK or US or Australia or Europe...
You all have interest in a good company's profit, so nobody can treat suggestions as a threat if they are smart. And they have to be smart if they want their company to last.
No offence, Dragana, but you of all people should know that is not how it is here... until the idea comes from inside the bouncy castle, it will not happen.
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Years ago one employer had a campaign offering monetary rewards for whomever came up with the best idea for reducing costs in a particular area...I duly submitted one, but shortly was castigated by a manager for "complaining, just accept it for how it is and do your job"...shortly thereafter it became his idea, and was implemented...not sure if it won the cash, but it made it abundantly clear that suggestions were not welcome...
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No offence, Dragana, but you of all people should know that is not how it is here... until the idea comes from inside the bouncy castle, it will not happen.
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I would have loved Harry-the-cod to pronounce himself on this matter as he is EK through and through otherwise known as stoic.
That said, who is the arbiter of good taste in this context dragana? smart ideas in comparison to what for this specific region? Take some time to study the growth of this company from inception to-date and draw own conclusions that is works for some.
There is a structure of growth and indeed of everything at EK and it would be inconceivable to try living unsustainably just to accommodate those not pitched to modern day business/aviation reality checks otherwise it won't be long until another big bang.
I would lower my expectations/greed and learn to manage the little that there is. I know of a few who want to get in but luck hasn't allowed it.
otherwise harry-the-stoic has made running commentaries of this and more and please appreciate folks that this is the reality of things now.
That said, who is the arbiter of good taste in this context dragana? smart ideas in comparison to what for this specific region? Take some time to study the growth of this company from inception to-date and draw own conclusions that is works for some.
There is a structure of growth and indeed of everything at EK and it would be inconceivable to try living unsustainably just to accommodate those not pitched to modern day business/aviation reality checks otherwise it won't be long until another big bang.
I would lower my expectations/greed and learn to manage the little that there is. I know of a few who want to get in but luck hasn't allowed it.
otherwise harry-the-stoic has made running commentaries of this and more and please appreciate folks that this is the reality of things now.
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Do not drink and type
Kirungi has obviously not read Boswell
We discussed the question whether drinking improved conversation and benevolence. Sir Joshua maintained it did. Johnson: "No, Sir: before dinner men meet with great inequality of understanding; and those who are conscious of their inferiority, have the modesty not to talk. When they have drunk wine, every man feels himself happy, and loses that modesty, and grows impudent and vociferous: but he is not improved; he is only not sensible of his defects."
We discussed the question whether drinking improved conversation and benevolence. Sir Joshua maintained it did. Johnson: "No, Sir: before dinner men meet with great inequality of understanding; and those who are conscious of their inferiority, have the modesty not to talk. When they have drunk wine, every man feels himself happy, and loses that modesty, and grows impudent and vociferous: but he is not improved; he is only not sensible of his defects."
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Am Not Sure 
Dropp the Pilot, I appreciate your reference - Boswell; whether the philosophy holds even across this board, is perhaps not for today.
I want to walk you across this forum to another thread; Ethiopian Airline Pilot Jobs - warning! and this is what strontium posted:-
The principle and margins of these two discussions are in union. You might have to advise strontium about Boswell but it's equally relevant to live in the present. Draw own conclusions.
Dropp the Pilot, I appreciate your reference - Boswell; whether the philosophy holds even across this board, is perhaps not for today.
I want to walk you across this forum to another thread; Ethiopian Airline Pilot Jobs - warning! and this is what strontium posted:-
Really?
You people are the most clueless bunch I've ever seen. You misread their mentality sooooo much it's pathetic! You're still thinking in terms of the neat and tidy contract work you're used to elsewhere. Forget it! This is a different world and you're doing a disservice to anyone who would benefit from working there.
If anyone out there is serious about the airline, here's some real insight you can use instead of the vitriol I see posted: Ethiopian, or as the literary genius Zubenelwhatever calls it, "Ethiopean," is a government-owned enterprise with profit being only one of its many motivators. It has survived decades of political subversion, mismanagement, wars, civil wars, disasters, countless hijakings and coups-galore to become a respectable outfit in Africa. To think that your pompous threat of "boycott" will pain the airline is comedic delusion at its best! Just mind boggling, laughable cluelessness!
Do yourself a big favor and get it through your heads that you'll go without pay for training- so don't come broke and threaten them with a story that you'll turn into a beggar if they don't pay you immediately- they don't care. As far as they know, living on the edge of bankruptcy is your own problem. Know that you have to be patient with EVERYTHING while there. Everyone is delayed and given the run around, including the locals, not just you. Save your patronizing as no one will accommodate your workers' rights philosophy, neither will they play the role of satisfying your unemployment needs. The fact that you get paid 3 times a local captain will make your indignation seem out of place at the office. They're proud, and you appear as just another in a line of know-it-all foreigners with a chip on their shoulder, so consider your attitude before you try to join- a friendly one will get you much farther than pounding on some agency contract or a lecture on labor laws. They dictate the terms. They're liable to change them. Take it, or leave it- for a better airline if you can.
That's reality, so you either know about it and make it work, or you can spend your time debating the virtues of the Magna Carta- your choice. One will lead to a job, the other to frustration. Some are satisfied, some are not. Most expats are level-headed and know enough to get the maximum out of their circumstances. Others are incompetent boobs who slip through the cracks and pray their next screw-up doesn't cost them their job. Or if they get rejected, spew trash and fumble around forums to boost their fallen ego. If you do make it through training and come to appreciate the work, like some of the more balanced expats there do, you'll have a variety of destinations not found at most other places, great hotels, time in one of the safest capitals anywhere, and a chance to see a unique culture.
It's hard flying, but think for yourself and don't listen to the poison spouted like the "starvation versus shiny jets" brain-fart, and the "bottom-feeder airline" nonsense. The third-world shortcomings come as a great revelation these knuckleheads. The easier it is for you to realize complaining won't change the culutre, the sooner you'll adapt.
Those uninformed should get a better grasp of the reality of the world they live in, stop acting the prima donna and first try to understand what they're getting into before becoming online crusaders.
You people are the most clueless bunch I've ever seen. You misread their mentality sooooo much it's pathetic! You're still thinking in terms of the neat and tidy contract work you're used to elsewhere. Forget it! This is a different world and you're doing a disservice to anyone who would benefit from working there.
If anyone out there is serious about the airline, here's some real insight you can use instead of the vitriol I see posted: Ethiopian, or as the literary genius Zubenelwhatever calls it, "Ethiopean," is a government-owned enterprise with profit being only one of its many motivators. It has survived decades of political subversion, mismanagement, wars, civil wars, disasters, countless hijakings and coups-galore to become a respectable outfit in Africa. To think that your pompous threat of "boycott" will pain the airline is comedic delusion at its best! Just mind boggling, laughable cluelessness!
Do yourself a big favor and get it through your heads that you'll go without pay for training- so don't come broke and threaten them with a story that you'll turn into a beggar if they don't pay you immediately- they don't care. As far as they know, living on the edge of bankruptcy is your own problem. Know that you have to be patient with EVERYTHING while there. Everyone is delayed and given the run around, including the locals, not just you. Save your patronizing as no one will accommodate your workers' rights philosophy, neither will they play the role of satisfying your unemployment needs. The fact that you get paid 3 times a local captain will make your indignation seem out of place at the office. They're proud, and you appear as just another in a line of know-it-all foreigners with a chip on their shoulder, so consider your attitude before you try to join- a friendly one will get you much farther than pounding on some agency contract or a lecture on labor laws. They dictate the terms. They're liable to change them. Take it, or leave it- for a better airline if you can.
That's reality, so you either know about it and make it work, or you can spend your time debating the virtues of the Magna Carta- your choice. One will lead to a job, the other to frustration. Some are satisfied, some are not. Most expats are level-headed and know enough to get the maximum out of their circumstances. Others are incompetent boobs who slip through the cracks and pray their next screw-up doesn't cost them their job. Or if they get rejected, spew trash and fumble around forums to boost their fallen ego. If you do make it through training and come to appreciate the work, like some of the more balanced expats there do, you'll have a variety of destinations not found at most other places, great hotels, time in one of the safest capitals anywhere, and a chance to see a unique culture.
It's hard flying, but think for yourself and don't listen to the poison spouted like the "starvation versus shiny jets" brain-fart, and the "bottom-feeder airline" nonsense. The third-world shortcomings come as a great revelation these knuckleheads. The easier it is for you to realize complaining won't change the culutre, the sooner you'll adapt.
Those uninformed should get a better grasp of the reality of the world they live in, stop acting the prima donna and first try to understand what they're getting into before becoming online crusaders.
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Dr. Johnson part deux
Keep it up. Let's see how many Johnson quotes I can make that are apposite to your "posts"....
“This is one of the disadvantages of wine, it makes a man mistake words for thoughts.”
― Samuel Johnson, The Life of Samuel Johnson LL.D. Vol 2
“This is one of the disadvantages of wine, it makes a man mistake words for thoughts.”
― Samuel Johnson, The Life of Samuel Johnson LL.D. Vol 2