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You miss the point completely - it's not that we don't dislike the "thumb print screens" - none of us want that, but it's none of my business if he/she chooses to do it.
It's the debrief "in no uncertain terms" from one professional to another on a completely irrelevant issue. If you want clean screens, clean them.
Should we as Captains debrief our FOs in "no uncertain terms" every time we see something that we don't like? ...because it's one of our beefs...?? Well the FO on that flight will now see that it's acceptable for a senior trainer to admonish a TRI for pet peeves and said FO may take it upon himself to do same when he goes left...as we've all seen.
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You miss the point completely - it's not that we don't dislike the "thumb print screens" - none of us want that, but it's none of my business if he/she chooses to do it.
It's the debrief "in no uncertain terms" from one professional to another on a completely irrelevant issue. If you want clean screens, clean them.
Should we as Captains debrief our FOs in "no uncertain terms" every time we see something that we don't like? ...because it's one of our beefs...?? Well the FO on that flight will now see that it's acceptable for a senior trainer to admonish a TRI for pet peeves and said FO may take it upon himself to do same when he goes left...as we've all seen.
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Ok Flion,
Next time I'll coil a three ring steamer and leave it on the seat for you. No where does it say I shouldn't.
Simpletons that need to have it all written down for them.
Next time I'll coil a three ring steamer and leave it on the seat for you. No where does it say I shouldn't.
Simpletons that need to have it all written down for them.
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Originally Posted by Tube Rider
Ok Flion,
Next time I'll coil a three ring steamer and leave it on the seat for you. No where does it say I shouldn't.
Simpletons that need to have it all written down for them
Next time I'll coil a three ring steamer and leave it on the seat for you. No where does it say I shouldn't.
Simpletons that need to have it all written down for them
I too hate seeing greasy splodges on the screens. If you're going to make 'em dirty at least wipe 'em clean before you leave the flightdeck! And take your nuts off the RMP screens too - if you know what I mean!
And what's with greasy hair marks on the side windows? Just horrible
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simpletons that need to have it all written down for them.
The airline has really ended up in this place where people will argue against common sense all because it "isn't written anywhere...." It's a bit like political correctness, a blight creeping in that no one likes but it's there anyway.
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It's got nothing to do with the screens...read my post...it's our culture in training of admonishing anything that is a peeve in no uncertain terms..when it's not policy.
It could be anything from leaving charts out to not leaving them out.
Who the fcuk are you to tell me what to do with my fingers/charts/knob centering...
Checking thumb placement techniques now are we?
What's next seat belt folding styles?
Priceless
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It could be anything from leaving charts out to not leaving them out.
Who the fcuk are you to tell me what to do with my fingers/charts/knob centering...
Checking thumb placement techniques now are we?
What's next seat belt folding styles?
Priceless
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Who the fcuk are you to tell me what to do with my fingers/charts/knob centering..
You have been smacked down by tube rider - you are the dick head here fliion.
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I hear what you're saying regarding teaching technique and I agree but I always view that aspect more in regards to direct operation of the aircraft rather than general advice. The screen issue would definitely come in under the latter. Why some people with relatively low experience seem unable to take general advice seems to be lost on me and is appears to be an increasing theme here.
You site leaving the charts out as an example yet there have been specific emails in the past reminding pilots to leave the flight deck in a neat and tidy manner. However, from a practical view, I see little point in putting away the destination charts at outstations when I know all too well the crew are standing on the air bridge waiting to take over. They're left in the small folder, in order, neat and tidy. If the aircraft is not going out within the next few hours, they're replaced into the main binder, same as Dubai. I try and apply common sense.
The problem is we have too much pre scripted for us and guys lose the ability to think for themselves and deal with each situation practically. What would you prefer, my example above or straight handover at outstation with charts away and window blinds drawn, at 9pm in the dark, in the rain......in Manchester!
We sometimes criticise the cabin crew for being robotic yet I've seen a few android numpties here too!
I hear what you're saying regarding teaching technique and I agree but I always view that aspect more in regards to direct operation of the aircraft rather than general advice. The screen issue would definitely come in under the latter. Why some people with relatively low experience seem unable to take general advice seems to be lost on me and is appears to be an increasing theme here.
You site leaving the charts out as an example yet there have been specific emails in the past reminding pilots to leave the flight deck in a neat and tidy manner. However, from a practical view, I see little point in putting away the destination charts at outstations when I know all too well the crew are standing on the air bridge waiting to take over. They're left in the small folder, in order, neat and tidy. If the aircraft is not going out within the next few hours, they're replaced into the main binder, same as Dubai. I try and apply common sense.
The problem is we have too much pre scripted for us and guys lose the ability to think for themselves and deal with each situation practically. What would you prefer, my example above or straight handover at outstation with charts away and window blinds drawn, at 9pm in the dark, in the rain......in Manchester!
We sometimes criticise the cabin crew for being robotic yet I've seen a few android numpties here too!
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Charts? We still have aircraft with paper charts? How agricultural!
Anyway, as a humble line pilot, I am quite happy to have trainers teach me techniques and airmanship as long as they make it really clear it is not the "official" way of doing things- and they don't mark me down for it if I think they are talking rubbish (they rarely are but it does happen).
Anyway, as a humble line pilot, I am quite happy to have trainers teach me techniques and airmanship as long as they make it really clear it is not the "official" way of doing things- and they don't mark me down for it if I think they are talking rubbish (they rarely are but it does happen).
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A well written response and points understood....the discussion is actually NOT about thumb prints - it's about TRAINER BOUNDARIES.
I have no issue with a gentle professional to professional (cue Big Geordie) nudge "Listen man we're trying to keep the screens clean - keep your grimies off the screen if you can". Fair cop as the English would say.
My issue is a debrief in "no uncertain terms" for a pet peeve - Perhaps if I couched the question this way for some of my colleagues above
DO YOU THINK ITS ACCEPTABLE FOR AN EK TRAINER TO GIVE A STERN DEBRIEF IF AT SOME STAGE IN YOUR TRAINING EVENT YOUR FINGERS TOUCHED THE SCREEN?
YES or NO?
You know where I stand....it could be any minor issue. It's just that we've seen some of the guys give these dressings down on issues that are so far from big picture and have no SOP to back it up - that galls one.
I'll leave it to you lot to answer the above..
Right I'm off to find an A v B or Yank bashing thread
; >
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A well written response and points understood....the discussion is actually NOT about thumb prints - it's about TRAINER BOUNDARIES.
I have no issue with a gentle professional to professional (cue Big Geordie) nudge "Listen man we're trying to keep the screens clean - keep your grimies off the screen if you can". Fair cop as the English would say.
My issue is a debrief in "no uncertain terms" for a pet peeve - Perhaps if I couched the question this way for some of my colleagues above
DO YOU THINK ITS ACCEPTABLE FOR AN EK TRAINER TO GIVE A STERN DEBRIEF IF AT SOME STAGE IN YOUR TRAINING EVENT YOUR FINGERS TOUCHED THE SCREEN?
YES or NO?
You know where I stand....it could be any minor issue. It's just that we've seen some of the guys give these dressings down on issues that are so far from big picture and have no SOP to back it up - that galls one.
I'll leave it to you lot to answer the above..
Right I'm off to find an A v B or Yank bashing thread
; >
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Dare to think outside the box.
Clean the screens yourself.
Even if the ME is full of: "The company will take stern action if (insert just about anything)" doesn't mean you have to bring that attitude into the cockpit. And not on a peanut issue like a fingerprint.
Clean the screens yourself.
Even if the ME is full of: "The company will take stern action if (insert just about anything)" doesn't mean you have to bring that attitude into the cockpit. And not on a peanut issue like a fingerprint.
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Flioon's pov
I must agree with the picture flioon is trying to draw here
If it cannot be backed - let it be known it's a good habit / practice if you like
Praise the big picture and banish the little ego tips
If it cannot be backed - let it be known it's a good habit / practice if you like
Praise the big picture and banish the little ego tips
