Question for American EK pilots
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I agree with the numbers or rather lack of regarding US pilots.
The number one reason for most us to go home is to be close to family and raise your kids close to grandparents etc.....
I would do the same if I had similar opportunities at home.
America is the other side of the planet to DXB and so the travel time during leave takes up a good chunk of your vacation.
Also, the american pilots here are concerned about the IRS.... their income here may be paid tax free but Uncle Sam feels that it is not tax exempt.
A number of American pilots here are very nervoius..... even Cpt. America has gone home.
(Cpt. America: Finished last week)
The number one reason for most us to go home is to be close to family and raise your kids close to grandparents etc.....
I would do the same if I had similar opportunities at home.
America is the other side of the planet to DXB and so the travel time during leave takes up a good chunk of your vacation.
Also, the american pilots here are concerned about the IRS.... their income here may be paid tax free but Uncle Sam feels that it is not tax exempt.
A number of American pilots here are very nervoius..... even Cpt. America has gone home.
(Cpt. America: Finished last week)
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I dunno. This whole FATCA fiasco, with the US trying to bully every country around the world into giving up private information, may have something to do with it too. Not sure THAT can be blamed on Capt. America.
All I know is it sure must suck to be a "US Person" trying to open an account anywhere exotic these days.
All I know is it sure must suck to be a "US Person" trying to open an account anywhere exotic these days.
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Who is going to pay for all the ghetto welfare families if the US EK pilot don't pay taxes? This quantitative easing can only last so long before the whole system collapses.
After all, it is racist to NOT to give everyone a free mobile phone and a credit card (food stamp) that can buy anything edible, even coca-cola.
If your choice is Santa Clause (obama) or work, who are you going to choose?
After all, it is racist to NOT to give everyone a free mobile phone and a credit card (food stamp) that can buy anything edible, even coca-cola.
If your choice is Santa Clause (obama) or work, who are you going to choose?
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I was hired by a US legacy back in October. I was fortunate enough to interview the second week they started inviting people, after a very long stagnation. A few weeks after that, I received the final offer but had to wait until March for a class date. They were still processing flow through pilots from regional airlines which had contractual agreements. Street guys like me had to wait. It sort of worked itself out because EK required three month notice. I heard of another EK pilot who just recently resigned but could only give one month notice. EK worked with him and he ended up being fine.
I was the first ME pilot hired off the street. They did have a little difficulty getting records form EK. In the end, it sort of solved itself, paving the way for more applicants. I know of at least two who already interviewed, and both were successful. One is joining us in August. They seem to know a lot more than one might think about various international carriers. US legacies are very specific in what they are looking for, and I can assure you that EK pilots are well viewed during the interview process. The fact that, besides me, my entire interview class (8 pilots) were all ex military (US Air Force, NAVY, etc…), is a validation of the quality of pilots EK is fortunate to employ (EK pilots in general. Not trying to come off as being pretentious. Only stating facts).
Training here was more relaxed and transpired American pragmatism. The company culture is completely different. For example:
I will say that EK should truly invest in their pilot workforce. Nothing is free, not even pilots. I read somewhere on this thread something about most US pilots trying to go back. What about Europeans or Australians? The reality is, for some countries, things are not so great in the industry. But historical data dictates that they will eventually turn around. Why would a French pilot leave Montpellier if he can work for AF? It is only a matter of time. For example, EK’s stubbornness in not opening overseas bases or limiting one to 5 days off in a row is idiotically short-sighted. Cathay does international basing, and so does Korean. Why not EK? Ego? They really ought to set it aside. This will become a buyers’ market. It’s all about supply and demand.
I was the first ME pilot hired off the street. They did have a little difficulty getting records form EK. In the end, it sort of solved itself, paving the way for more applicants. I know of at least two who already interviewed, and both were successful. One is joining us in August. They seem to know a lot more than one might think about various international carriers. US legacies are very specific in what they are looking for, and I can assure you that EK pilots are well viewed during the interview process. The fact that, besides me, my entire interview class (8 pilots) were all ex military (US Air Force, NAVY, etc…), is a validation of the quality of pilots EK is fortunate to employ (EK pilots in general. Not trying to come off as being pretentious. Only stating facts).
Training here was more relaxed and transpired American pragmatism. The company culture is completely different. For example:
- Operationally speaking, I find them to be significantly more practical. I will attribute this to a cultural difference between the ways things are handled in the States, in general, versus overseas. In light of the sheer number of nationalities working at EK, how can one blame Emirates for being over attentive to small details?
- One shocking cultural change for me was the fact that they want you to "fly"
here. By that, I mean that a large portion of the approaches I flew and was evaluated on during OE and simulator training were without Automation (AP and AT). Now this might seem like a minor detail, but is a great illustration of something more significant in their corporate culture: Trust in their pilots. Having been on line for a short while, I never felt like "staying away from the office" was in the captains’ threat error management strategies. As it turns out, it creates a less stressful and more efficient operation. In short, they are truly a captain’s airline. And that is a big cultural difference. - The chief pilots are there to help. Their offices are literally inside the pilot lounges and they encourage us to visit them all the time. New hires are required to check in with them at least four times during their first year, just to make sure they are getting settled with their new jobs. They are not here to police us.
- There is a certain camaraderie here that I did not quiet feel at EK. It seems like everyone is sort of looking out for each other, including management.
I will say that EK should truly invest in their pilot workforce. Nothing is free, not even pilots. I read somewhere on this thread something about most US pilots trying to go back. What about Europeans or Australians? The reality is, for some countries, things are not so great in the industry. But historical data dictates that they will eventually turn around. Why would a French pilot leave Montpellier if he can work for AF? It is only a matter of time. For example, EK’s stubbornness in not opening overseas bases or limiting one to 5 days off in a row is idiotically short-sighted. Cathay does international basing, and so does Korean. Why not EK? Ego? They really ought to set it aside. This will become a buyers’ market. It’s all about supply and demand.
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Not sure if I agree that was a good post or not as atrocious American grammar makes it largely unintelligible, at least at first glace, and one cannot be bothered going back for a second glance. But if you are trying to imply that EK employs only quality pilots then you are full of hot air.
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I'm not sure we are reading the same post- the grammar looks pretty good to me, even the apostrophes are in the right place! Saying EK emploiys quality pilots is not the same as saying all the pilots employed by EK are high quality- although in my experience most are.
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Excellent post Eldee.
Ignore JAA, incapable of typing without insulting.
Unintelligible - JAA if you can't get the gist of what he wrote - which was crystal clear, then you have no business commenting on intelligence.
f.
Ignore JAA, incapable of typing without insulting.
Unintelligible - JAA if you can't get the gist of what he wrote - which was crystal clear, then you have no business commenting on intelligence.
f.
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Great post eldee. As I mentioned before you can not put a price on the treatment at Emirates vs the US Majors. Every pilot I have talked to that has left EK to go back has said the biggest difference is the huge relief of stress that is lifted when working for a major. They are not out to get you in trouble but to help you and to be the best pilot you can be for yourself and the airline. They actually like you and more importantly respect you.
JAR what airline did you work for? What a twit!
JAR what airline did you work for? What a twit!
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I apologize for my post not being clear to you JAA. What I was saying was:
1. Emirates pilots are well respected amongst legacy carriers in the US.
2. Airlines operate differently in the States than most places.
3. Be as it may, most Emirates pilots are well above average, and by a wide margin. We've all been in this business long enough to agree on that much.
You dig?
1. Emirates pilots are well respected amongst legacy carriers in the US.
2. Airlines operate differently in the States than most places.
3. Be as it may, most Emirates pilots are well above average, and by a wide margin. We've all been in this business long enough to agree on that much.
You dig?
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JAARule's attitude towards Americans is a good example of how a lot of things may work at EK for any young "Yank" considering choosing Emirates as a career or stepping stone. Specifically training.
I will admit, training has gotten a lot more fair and equal for all nationalities since Norris and others left.
I've personally seen a TRE's "mate" crash an engine out takeoff after V1 three times in a row and receive 4's and 5's. Captain Crash is now in training.
eldee5's post is very informative and free from atrocious grammatical errors.
JAARule would give Eldee5 a score 2 while he should get a 5. See how this works? When asked JAARule to point out which grammatical errors were committed and use the Oxford Grammar and Style Manual. He will fail to do so, but will state Airmanship and Communications.
"overall, good effort, but i'm going to have to knock ya down to a 2 due to poor airmanship and communications"
See the parallel?
For non-EK people, training is graded from 1-5, 5 being the highest.
If you are American and considering Emirates, make sure you have tough skin and know the books well so you can call out bullcrap. Most Yank haters back off when you ask them to show their silly airmanship technique in the manuals and they fail to do so.
Not sure if I agree that was a good post or not as atrocious American grammar makes it largely unintelligible, at least at first glace, and one cannot be bothered going back for a second glance. But if you are trying to imply that EK employs only quality pilots then you are full of hot air. - -JAARule
I will admit, training has gotten a lot more fair and equal for all nationalities since Norris and others left.
I've personally seen a TRE's "mate" crash an engine out takeoff after V1 three times in a row and receive 4's and 5's. Captain Crash is now in training.
eldee5's post is very informative and free from atrocious grammatical errors.
JAARule would give Eldee5 a score 2 while he should get a 5. See how this works? When asked JAARule to point out which grammatical errors were committed and use the Oxford Grammar and Style Manual. He will fail to do so, but will state Airmanship and Communications.
"overall, good effort, but i'm going to have to knock ya down to a 2 due to poor airmanship and communications"
See the parallel?
For non-EK people, training is graded from 1-5, 5 being the highest.
If you are American and considering Emirates, make sure you have tough skin and know the books well so you can call out bullcrap. Most Yank haters back off when you ask them to show their silly airmanship technique in the manuals and they fail to do so.
Not sure if I agree that was a good post or not as atrocious American grammar makes it largely unintelligible, at least at first glace, and one cannot be bothered going back for a second glance. But if you are trying to imply that EK employs only quality pilots then you are full of hot air. - -JAARule