Are all pilots @ EK so unhappy?

[TwoTone-7]

RIM - Intrigued, would it be fair to say the ones serving said death sentence are working their resignation notice period?!

[CaptainChipotle]

I have over 91 hrs this month, and have additional duties rostered that are unpaid. There is nothing like working for free!

[Mr Angry from Purley]

I have over 91 hrs this month, and have additional duties rostered that are unpaid. There is nothing like working for free!

Um, what about salary.....???

[fatbus]

Non factored for pay , factored for FTLs

[CamelRustler]

330=unhappy

I have just flown with my third FO in a month who is leaving for a European LCC job. One of the big issues with these guys is junior FO's are being moved over to 380 while they rot on the 330/340. This means when and if they get to the 380 they will have Captains that will be 3 years their junior. Now this may sound like an argument for joining the 330 fleet now, but its not. It's an argument to state that the company moves who it wants when it wants. So when you join on the 330 it could be for 2 years or until the fleet goes away sometime after 2018, more likely 2020. Whatever they tell you in the interview may be true only for that fraction of a moment, but it will most certainly change. But hey record low oil prices means record profit share!!

[VLS with ice]

Not everybody is unhappy, most of us are seriously p off... Too much to explain. Come and try for yourself....

[Dropp the Pilot]

Seat movement and moribund types have a long and tragic history at EK. If you ask some of the dinosaurs who joined EK on the 727, they will tell you of an entertaining conversation they had with management when that fleet was being wound down. They were told that when the 727 disappeared from EK so would they, as it was doubtful whether someone accustomed to something as crude as the 727 would be capable of safely flying something as sophisticated as an A310.

This is not an attempt at humour.

[maxred]

Resigned to the fact that it could be SO much more yet it is not.

An early post by trader. Ithe comment could be applicable throughout the organization.

had never flown on them until recently, and I was so underwhelmed as a pax, I doubt I would ever fly them again. The most noticeable difference was the leg on the 777, was ok if you are into that sort of thing. The African leg on the A340, was frankly diabolical. Service level, and the fact the thing was literally falling to bits, and no one appeared to care.....

[BPN787]

Intereting discussion about EK, I know one of the biggest issues was that the facilities department run by AS, aquired a major development near Meydan in a part of Dubai under development in other words not near schools or shops. The development was designed for 500 houses but AS decided to reduce costs and squeezed in many more so that living there is similar to a military camp.

Then to add fuel to the fire he mandated that many of the long term experienced pilots who were living is established parts of Duabi for many years had move into this place, as no one voluntered when they saw it. So end result a lot of unhappy pilots who are in great demand in many parts of the world and as a consequence EK have a pilot shortage and have had to ground aircraft.

Now any professional organiation in this situation would deal with this problem and the instigator would have been fired, but for some people you cant do that so expect a few crazy decisions in the organisation for the forseeable future. Having said taht it is a great place to live and bring up a family.

[cerbus]

Nice place to raise a family? What are you comparing this place to, Africa? S America? Come now. The heat and fatigue is starting to get to you.

[fliion]

Cerbus - any evidence to suggest that those raised in Dubai are making less of a mark on the world?

[mmmbop]

Originally Posted by fliion

Cerbus - any evidence to suggest that those raised in Dubai are making less of a mark on the world?

Filion,

Anu evidence that those raised in Dubai are making an equal mark on the world?

Lets cut the delusion for a minute. If you come from a Western Country Meydan South and Meydan Height are sh1tholes. End of Story. Any argument to the contrary is simply trying to convince yourself that your decision to move to Emirates and live in Dubai was the right one.

[fliion]

Actually yes. For those who have been here awhile, the three most popular schools outrank UK in academic achievements. Kent too early to tell but the signs so far are positive.

The UK ranks #20 on the OECD education ranking, the US is number 28

Last year the school my kids attend averaged 35 on IB ranking. 92% scored higher than the UK average.

The UK averaged 30 in IB.

With A levels DC scored way above the UK average and DESC on grades other than A also scored above the average.

As you know these results dictate the Uni’s that are offered to these kids and as such launch them into the next stage.

I don’t live in Meydan but I know lots of families who have the attitundal balance to raise great kids in ANY environment, including Meydan etc

Most of this is up to the parents.

You can make most kids lives great or fill it with negativity. One of the reasons many stay is our kids love the school, their friends, their sports clubs, the diversity of their circle, the incredible opportunities to travel etc., the safety of the city.

I am with you on the Co. 100% ... but to suggest that a good family cannot be raised here is wrong. Lol my best bud grew up in Brazzaville - top man, great family.

[dustyflightdeck]

Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes

Ek is still living off its previous reputation in regards to the job in lots of applicants eyes - even though they've been warned people still come expecting lots and get disappointed very quickly.
Emirates used to be a place people aimed to get to and stay until retirement, now its a place people use as a stepping stone before moving on!

This right here, people. Listen to this man as his post is very accurate. I spent over a decade building the hours required to join EK (before they cut the requirements) because of what it once was, only to find after I joined that it is long gone and will never return. There is a reason we are parking 20 a/c at DWC this month! There is a reason they have to "open the pipeline as wide as possible" for recruitment! And yet despite all this they still refuse to change anything to keep people here!! They are going to make ~6bn profit this year and they say they have "limited funds" for pay rise!! Simply put, they don't care any more!!!! They could have changed years ago if they wanted to, but they didn't and they won't. I wish I understood this 3 years ago before I went through the recruitment process and locked myself into a 5 year bond only to find that Dubai cost of living is sky rocketing and pay is going down! I came because of the "old" EK reputation, because of the once big pay check and because of the career development that came with it. All gone! Everyone wants to get out of here, even the turbo prop joiners! Some have already left and gone back to the turbo props! What does that tell you!!

[Odins Raven]

The schooling comparisons are totally misleading. Of course the best private schools in Dubai perform better than the average state schools in the UK - it’s a totally different set of pupils attending them. How many dysfunctional kids from broken homes are attending private schools in Dubai? The average Dubai expat child has well-educated parents who are probably also above-average in intelligence hence why they’ve been recruited to work over there.

From my experience over in Dubai, JESS was a very good school with absolutely outstanding facilities. In terms of the actual standard of education it was similar to a very good UK state school. Interestingly, if you look at the UK you might be surprised to find the famous schools such as Eton, way behind on the results table. Cardiff Sixth Form College has the best A-level results, and that’s with your bog-standard average Welsh pupils.

[harry the cod]

You signed on the dotted line based on the 'old EK'? With a comment such as that, no wonder you're not happy here. Please don't use the same criteria if you go to BA looking for your next job.

Perhaps a bit more research and applying some basic due diligence is needed?

Good post by the way fliion

Harry

[27k]

Even guys with < 1 year in the company are running away.
this guy around the corner in MS just pulled one, back to ezy.

When they put you in Meydan South (highly likely) don’t be surprised when you end up on that FB page just because in someone’s opinion you didn’t behave properly doing whatever.

MS, EK’s compound and they can’t even finish a communty centre within 3 / 4 years of having people actually living in it.
Every 6 months they will send an email with a new opening month but there is always another delay coming.

No villa’s to be sold or rented out so who cares.

That’s exactly how they will treat you and your family.

[Emma Royds]

Mu own view is that the number of pilots at EK that are unhappy is relatively small, since I feel that many know it is time to leave if you ever reach that stage. However I would say that a sizeable number are disillusioned with the company. The degree of and the reason for this disillusionment does vary between colleagues but what is worthy of note is that many choose to leave before they even reach the stage of being unhappy.

[hitansh]

What are the exact reasons for this disappointment ?
I head an Indian at a public place who is working as a ground instructor in their academy who was telling his buddy that there is ethinic discrimination and its not the organisation that it used to be, but did not mention the precise reasons.

[donpizmeov]

The aviation academy that opened in Nov already isn't the organisation it use to be? That happened fast .