Thinking hard about Emirates
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Thinking hard about Emirates
Hello all!
I'm 34 and employed in corporate aviation flying a Falcon 2000 out of SFO. I'm thinking hard about applying for Emirates.
I'm unattached to the SFO area, and desire to fly larger equipment, worldwide. Looking for a career, not just a job. I have spent a fair amount of time in the middle east and don't mind it one bit. I am attracted to the mostly tax free income, as I have about $50k of debt I would like to repay here in the USA. I make $120,000 per year at my job, but I think even first year pay would be a raise as far as take home is concerned, because of the tax benefits.
Currently I have 5300 hours, all corporate, 1400 jet SIC, and 2500 jet PIC. 1200 turboprop PIC. Five type ratings.
So fire away, do I sound like someone Emirates would want? Any thoughts and advice is very welcomed.
I'm 34 and employed in corporate aviation flying a Falcon 2000 out of SFO. I'm thinking hard about applying for Emirates.
I'm unattached to the SFO area, and desire to fly larger equipment, worldwide. Looking for a career, not just a job. I have spent a fair amount of time in the middle east and don't mind it one bit. I am attracted to the mostly tax free income, as I have about $50k of debt I would like to repay here in the USA. I make $120,000 per year at my job, but I think even first year pay would be a raise as far as take home is concerned, because of the tax benefits.
Currently I have 5300 hours, all corporate, 1400 jet SIC, and 2500 jet PIC. 1200 turboprop PIC. Five type ratings.
So fire away, do I sound like someone Emirates would want? Any thoughts and advice is very welcomed.
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Apply, see how you get on and see if you like Emirates once you've been interviewed. Treat the interview as much as a test for them as it will be for you. Once you commit, it will be difficult to walk away. A troll through archive posts on here should give you a fair view of life here in the UAE, not just in Emirates. There will be some that say stay but you should at least spend a few days here to see if it's something that will work.
What I will say though is that if you live in and around San Fran, I can't see why you'd want to leave. I wouldn't.
Harry
Just to add that don't come just for financial gain. You will make about $95,000 basic first year, net as no income tax. Another $12,000 in flight pay with transport provided in a car to and from work. Accommodation is provided with all bills paid. Meal allowances down route will pay for what they're designed for, meals and a few drinks. There are positives and negatives, I'm sure there'll be plenty on here soon offering the latter viewpoint.
What I will say though is that if you live in and around San Fran, I can't see why you'd want to leave. I wouldn't.
Harry
Just to add that don't come just for financial gain. You will make about $95,000 basic first year, net as no income tax. Another $12,000 in flight pay with transport provided in a car to and from work. Accommodation is provided with all bills paid. Meal allowances down route will pay for what they're designed for, meals and a few drinks. There are positives and negatives, I'm sure there'll be plenty on here soon offering the latter viewpoint.
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Is DA2000 the biggest plane you've flown in your career? If so, chances are you're not what EK is looking for. They have a stream of kids coming out of Ryanair and easyJet out of Europe with Boeing or Airbus time, and that's what they're looking for.
Even for regional guys stateside, if you were flying a 50-seat EMB-145 or CRJ-200, you'd not be considered qualified... you'd have to get into CRJ-700 or 900 or EMB-170/175 to be qualified for EK.
Also, you said all your experience is in corporate aviation. Just how many bizjet operators in the US want to see experience in bizav, EK wants to see airline experience which you don't have. As far as EK is concerned, you've only flown a toy jet. They don't care about all the extra duties you do on a daily basis or what's involved. You've only flown a toy jet.
Not meaning to sound harsh, but if you want to fly for the airlines, plenty of airlines in the US hiring, and you can make a lot more than 120k after a couple of years.
Even for regional guys stateside, if you were flying a 50-seat EMB-145 or CRJ-200, you'd not be considered qualified... you'd have to get into CRJ-700 or 900 or EMB-170/175 to be qualified for EK.
Also, you said all your experience is in corporate aviation. Just how many bizjet operators in the US want to see experience in bizav, EK wants to see airline experience which you don't have. As far as EK is concerned, you've only flown a toy jet. They don't care about all the extra duties you do on a daily basis or what's involved. You've only flown a toy jet.
Not meaning to sound harsh, but if you want to fly for the airlines, plenty of airlines in the US hiring, and you can make a lot more than 120k after a couple of years.
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Take your Falcon 2000 time, apply to Republic on the E175, fly it for at least 1 year as FO and then apply to EK. Republic would hire you in a heartbeat (I have read on a US forum they are having problems filling classes) and you would have the airline experience you require on an aircraft larger than the CRJ/ERJ.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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So...you tell him to leave his 120,000$ a year job to go to Republic and make 25,000$ a year, just to have a chance to send EK a resume?
Wow
No wonder why the whole industry is in such a state
So...what if EK does not select him in the end?
Wow
No wonder why the whole industry is in such a state
So...what if EK does not select him in the end?
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I know it can only be hypothetical, but as an indicator for the sense of the intended move, just ask a second question:
"How many of you EK pilots would accept an instant swap of positions?"
The answer might surprise you, but not us ......
"How many of you EK pilots would accept an instant swap of positions?"
The answer might surprise you, but not us ......
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I am in the UAE and if it was possible I would immediately give you my job to take yours on the great Falcon 2000 to make 120000 $ a year and be in SFO.
If you manage to get a job on a big jet you will most probably quickly find out that after a while the "whow" factor gone it is just an aircraft.
Except for some pilots with huge ego there is nothing special in flying big jet compare to smaller one ; to be honest it is even easier as it is more stable.
I have flown more than 20 different type from a Cessna 152 to the B747 and believe me or not but today what I am looking for is to be able to get a good life style in a place that I like and in a relatively good atmosphere.
Good luck with you choice and think twice before leaving SFO...
If you manage to get a job on a big jet you will most probably quickly find out that after a while the "whow" factor gone it is just an aircraft.
Except for some pilots with huge ego there is nothing special in flying big jet compare to smaller one ; to be honest it is even easier as it is more stable.
I have flown more than 20 different type from a Cessna 152 to the B747 and believe me or not but today what I am looking for is to be able to get a good life style in a place that I like and in a relatively good atmosphere.
Good luck with you choice and think twice before leaving SFO...
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"a bird in hand is worth two in the bush"
Stay where you are. If your boss/company is treating you well with that $120K a year and you have a good lifestyle in sunny Cali, don't throw it away, with the hope of flying a big jet based in the desert, with a completely alien culture and management style.
EK im sure can be a good gig, but like others say, big jet, small jet, who cares??be lucky you have a flying job in the first place that pays well.
Stay where you are. If your boss/company is treating you well with that $120K a year and you have a good lifestyle in sunny Cali, don't throw it away, with the hope of flying a big jet based in the desert, with a completely alien culture and management style.
EK im sure can be a good gig, but like others say, big jet, small jet, who cares??be lucky you have a flying job in the first place that pays well.
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A query on the tax front: As a US citizen would your income in the middle east still be tax free in the US? If not then "I am attracted to the mostly tax free income" would be meaningless.......
US Taxes While Living Abroad FAQ :: American Citizens Abroad (ACA)
US Taxes While Living Abroad FAQ :: American Citizens Abroad (ACA)
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So...you tell him to leave his 120,000$ a year job to go to Republic and make 25,000$ a year, just to have a chance to send EK a resume?
Wow
No wonder why the whole industry is in such a state
So...what if EK does not select him in the end?
Wow
No wonder why the whole industry is in such a state
So...what if EK does not select him in the end?
He is very good when it comes to posting pictures of the 787, I'll give him that.
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Another quote from Iver :
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Careful Manada , He has a network, friends and has traveled extensively , so he is an authority . This was his response to me when I advised another beneficiary of his expert/relevant knowledge to do further additional research . Maybe you might expect a similar retort .
Hey Stone Cold,
Go F yourself. You know nothing about me, my background or my network of fellow pilots flying worldwide. I often share information from friends in various regions and I have traveled extensively - but I can't share my knowledge or opinions. I am offering intel and you offer nothing. If your opinion differs, well then share it instead of wasting our time with your pathetic slams. You must feel important sounding tough on your keyboard.
Go F yourself. You know nothing about me, my background or my network of fellow pilots flying worldwide. I often share information from friends in various regions and I have traveled extensively - but I can't share my knowledge or opinions. I am offering intel and you offer nothing. If your opinion differs, well then share it instead of wasting our time with your pathetic slams. You must feel important sounding tough on your keyboard.
Careful Manada , He has a network, friends and has traveled extensively , so he is an authority . This was his response to me when I advised another beneficiary of his expert/relevant knowledge to do further additional research . Maybe you might expect a similar retort .
Last edited by Stone_cold; 14th Jul 2014 at 10:43. Reason: correction of text
