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invertboeing,
You asked about the rosters but your thread was closed. So below is an answer to your question, as it applies to this thread.
No one is going to put their roster on here. (If you are a thinking chap or chapette you'd go off and ponder that in itself.)
I'll break it down for you:
You will get 8-12 days off mostly. Maybe once or twice a year you will get 15 days off. Some will count rest days as days off, other won't.
You will work 90-95hrs for the foreseeable future. Will that change? Yes, but only to the new target of 89 hours in a 31 day month.
You will do 2 ground school days per year.
You will do 2 x 2 Sim days per year. (i.e. 4days)
You will do 2 handling sims per year.
You will do CRM once per year.
You will do SEPs once per year.
You will do 1 line check every 2 years.
You will maybe get 42 days AL per year. Some will get their full quota, while others will go 15 months with none. It makes no sense but that is how it is.
When you get 2 weeks of AL you will get 55-60hrs of flying in the other 2 weeks of work. If you get 'allocated' 4 days of AL you will work a full roster. So your AL therefore was not AL.
You must be in Dubai 3 local nights before any ULR flight. (Also for some others that it is not immediately obvious for.) So if you happen to get 4 or 5 days off in a row, the money is on it being before a ULR. So you won't be able to travel outside of 2 hrs time zone. So you generally won't be able to travel to places you want to in that time off. (As it is EK jets have extremely high load factors so using staff travel is not easy.)
Rules are in place that affect how you bid and stop you from getting pairings you want to do. After roster promulgation those rules will be disregarded when there are flights the company requires you to do.
While it is not impossible to, it is very, very, very difficult to swap trips. This is due to both the hours being flown by pilots and also the myriad of rostering rules. On the occasion that you find someone both able to swap and willing to, it is almost like winning the lotto. Almost.
If you go through all those training duties you will realise that up to 7 of your rosters each year can be affected by training. So you won't get what you bid for in those months. (granted that the new system allows you to bid for when you want your training, so that may change.)
People will come on here and tell you that they get 15 days off every month and their rosters are brilliant. I will say that if those pilots exist they are not the overwhelming majority. They are an extremely, extremely small minority.
You will be tired - that's a fact. It's going to be how you handle it. Read elsewhere on here and others have written just how much they believe they merely 'exist' while working at EK. Everyone is different.
You will get a fantastic moon tan.
Eat lots of carrots.
If the above seems reasonable to you, apply. If it doesn't, then don't.
We each have choices in life: make one. Then stand by your decision. But always reassess.
You asked about the rosters but your thread was closed. So below is an answer to your question, as it applies to this thread.
No one is going to put their roster on here. (If you are a thinking chap or chapette you'd go off and ponder that in itself.)
I'll break it down for you:
You will get 8-12 days off mostly. Maybe once or twice a year you will get 15 days off. Some will count rest days as days off, other won't.
You will work 90-95hrs for the foreseeable future. Will that change? Yes, but only to the new target of 89 hours in a 31 day month.
You will do 2 ground school days per year.
You will do 2 x 2 Sim days per year. (i.e. 4days)
You will do 2 handling sims per year.
You will do CRM once per year.
You will do SEPs once per year.
You will do 1 line check every 2 years.
You will maybe get 42 days AL per year. Some will get their full quota, while others will go 15 months with none. It makes no sense but that is how it is.
When you get 2 weeks of AL you will get 55-60hrs of flying in the other 2 weeks of work. If you get 'allocated' 4 days of AL you will work a full roster. So your AL therefore was not AL.
You must be in Dubai 3 local nights before any ULR flight. (Also for some others that it is not immediately obvious for.) So if you happen to get 4 or 5 days off in a row, the money is on it being before a ULR. So you won't be able to travel outside of 2 hrs time zone. So you generally won't be able to travel to places you want to in that time off. (As it is EK jets have extremely high load factors so using staff travel is not easy.)
Rules are in place that affect how you bid and stop you from getting pairings you want to do. After roster promulgation those rules will be disregarded when there are flights the company requires you to do.
While it is not impossible to, it is very, very, very difficult to swap trips. This is due to both the hours being flown by pilots and also the myriad of rostering rules. On the occasion that you find someone both able to swap and willing to, it is almost like winning the lotto. Almost.
If you go through all those training duties you will realise that up to 7 of your rosters each year can be affected by training. So you won't get what you bid for in those months. (granted that the new system allows you to bid for when you want your training, so that may change.)
People will come on here and tell you that they get 15 days off every month and their rosters are brilliant. I will say that if those pilots exist they are not the overwhelming majority. They are an extremely, extremely small minority.
You will be tired - that's a fact. It's going to be how you handle it. Read elsewhere on here and others have written just how much they believe they merely 'exist' while working at EK. Everyone is different.
You will get a fantastic moon tan.
Eat lots of carrots.
If the above seems reasonable to you, apply. If it doesn't, then don't.
We each have choices in life: make one. Then stand by your decision. But always reassess.
Last edited by keepitrealok; 3rd Nov 2015 at 04:16. Reason: a couple of typos and trip swap comment.
short flights long nights
Excellent post. Sums it up exactly.
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I have just logged in only to say thanks to keepitrealok for such a good summary.
Similar feedback can be found scattered all over pprune bus this post condensates all of it in a few lines.
Does it pay off financially compared to an easyJet French contract?
I am inclined to apply for the experience, not for the need, as I have a permanent position with a nice income in a stable European airline.
Thanks for the feedback.
Similar feedback can be found scattered all over pprune bus this post condensates all of it in a few lines.
Does it pay off financially compared to an easyJet French contract?
I am inclined to apply for the experience, not for the need, as I have a permanent position with a nice income in a stable European airline.
Thanks for the feedback.
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I am inclined to apply for the experience, not for the need, as I have a permanent position with a nice income in a stable European airline.
If selling out on your familly, friends, integrity, health, relationship for a couple of extra square metres in the villa and 10 extra feet of length on your sailboat, it might pay off.
Investmens will be wiped out every 7th year due to financial crises, real estate investments will increase your tax burden due to sick political social experiments.
Or you just accept that you neighbor is slightly richer and enjoy the non material values in life instead while still doing good with a good job and in good health
