THY question

[TypeIV]

Keep in mind that there is no such thing as subpart. Since Europe went to EASA and Turkey is kept outside, general rules for Turkey:

1000hrs annually
14hrs duty per day before extension
8hr is minimum rest
No such thing as local nights. 3 consecutive night flights are common, after the last night of 5 flight hours, you might get 8hrs of rest and then another 2 legs domestic after lunch the same day.
Minimum 7 days off per month (the actual target off, of the company, except for the few extra off days scattered over the year to meet the annual minimum OFF)
Standby is not considered duty time. Expect 12hrs of standby on a day and then get called up for a three day sling.
Being sick puts you on the sh'tlist and you need to go to the emergency among heart attack, knife wounded and stroke patients in the middle of the night for your report in order not to get a noshow

[Expat737NG]

Many thks

We can see that there is no reason to wear THY's Uniform

[Sag73]

Hi everyone, I'm an expat just joined THY and I need some info on 2 issues please:
First: how should I get my university degree approved by the Yök? & what are the documents needed?
Second: I was thinking buying a car from abroad, is there any privilege being a THY on this issue (I heard you can keep it the whole year and you won't have get it out of turkey every 6 months or something like this) is that true?
Or is it better to just buy a blue plate car from Istanbul? & also what are the documents needed.
I appreciate any help, also feel free to PM me. Thanks

[yanbancypilot]

So you know about blue plates but you did not do your homework and due diligence on THY You seem perfect for the job.
If you are a captain seeking the few extra TL on salary... just forget about it.
The process is endless and requires multiple trips to Ankara not worth it. If you are an FO looking for an upgrade forget about it even more.It will never happen regardless. Enough Turks around.. you are just a seat filler and will be disposed off as no longer needed. Too late ??
Sure you have many privileges. A free Mercedes SLK is ready for you just choose the color you like and 40 virgin await for you in the afterlife.. just convert to Islam

[de facto]

Sure you have many privileges. A free Mercedes SLK is ready for you just choose the color you like and 40 virgin await for you in the afterlife.. just convert to Islam

Your stupidity is endless,you are a disgrace to our profession.

[flydive1]

Yanbancypilot, how come you only have 9 posts now?
I'm sure I've been reading your rants for month.

[Sag73]

What a negative energy you're sending!!
You can see I'm a new comer & exited about joining and need some help, so If you don't wanna help no problem but at least don't Frustrate me..
And by the way; is the SLK the best car you know ? Hahhaaa
If anyone else wanna help please PM me. Thanks

[tongo-sierra]

I know many pilots from all fleets , they are all happy with some exeptions . The major problem of the guys is the commuting in the narrow fleet . But yabanci you talk about culture and religion , you have a problem with that other pilots are more open minded and dont see a problem to deal with other cultures and religions .
My question to you is , when are you confronted with religion when you fly for THY ?

[yanbancypilot]

Dear Payscale friend the real disgrace of this profession is THY and its average sub par professional level, slavery like terms and conditions ( 100 hors 7 days off) calling it self " Best European" (but not having to abide to EASA FTL) heavily subsidized by an arrogant Islamist Government coming to Europe to steal passengers and paradoxically subjugating expat pilot often from EU, hired through shady agencies and lies, to its retrograde and discriminating "company culture"
SAG73. you are "exited" but you "exitment" will not last long...trust me.Still I can see your English skills fits perfectly in the system.
Tango Sierra I'm long gone but still have friends and hey are all about to leave or looking for alternatives. Of my class of 16 only two are still there so that is a more or less 94 % attrition in three years..not bad for a place where everybody is happy
State and religion are not separated in Turkey. Islam is wittingly or unwittingly influencing everything and everyone and you have to be blind not to see it. Mine was just a joke but humor has no place down there. Ok ..the virgins are actually 72.

[GF4RCE]

yanbanc"y"pilot

Your character is not only insulting and down right racist your post are directly geared at an ethnic community or religion and what de facto says about you being a disgrace to our profession and industry couldn't be more true...... i am quite happy to put up with your objective (though biased) facts but your endless and unsubstantiated rant on about THY religion and the people employed by THY or the neo ottoman-ism slander is in down right disgraceful and offensive... your previous nickname was barred (judging from you post count) but a few changes in the characters of your nick hasn't stopped you from your tirade of profanity which serve only to insult rather to inform... the actions or words you serve here is nothing short of defamation
..
Maybe you had a bad experience ( i doubt this or your credibility about the information you give) but no one put a sharp object to your throat a put a weapon against your skull (be it empty judging from your pathetic replies) to sign the dotted line... YOU KNEW exactly what the condition were going to be like.. signing a full time contract and then expecting commuting condition is like buying potatoes but expecting caviar .. get real... if you really have any expat experience you will know the difficulties not only working conditions in which you work in... but the cultural factors aswell which you so ignorantly ignore with you imperialistic and divinely superior knowledge...

now lets look at your misinformed comments objectively:

calling it self " Best European" (but not having to abide to EASA FTL) heavily subsidized by an arrogant Islamist Government coming to Europe to steal passengers and paradoxically subjugating expat pilot often from EU, hired through shady agencies and lies, to its retrograde and discriminating "company culture"

if you understand skytrax if you had even o atomic gram of intelligence ... its a award for service & quality of a product .. transportation of passengers and goods from one point to another ....which is voted by the general public and selected delegates within the industry... its working conditions terms and agreements though indirectly play a role .....ITS is the OUTPUT such as customer satisfaction, time performance, catering, cleanliness , entertainment transfer amenities etc ...this is all in the SURVEY that you VOTE on if you bothered to have a blo0dy look before you start your utter garbage tirade... here is a hint for you racist mind click here and hint look at the categories and here to look at the performance indicators ...
secondly you rant on about turkey not being in EUROPE .. yeh may be politically but last time i checked the maps Turkey had 23,764 km2 or land mass located on the European continent which is 23,764 km2 more then Uk or Cyprus... besides the point who cares if its Europe or Aisa or deep in the pacific .. the fact is Skytrax have flick all to do with my job , working conditions or my career...
if your going to argue some point BE bl@@dy objective...

contrary to what your saying

heavily subsidized by an arrogant Islamist Government

its actually THY that's subsidizing the foreign policy ..i.e some of the more interesting locations we fly to .. all the investments and acquisition of equipment (i.e aircraft) are done without any federal or political subsidies or guarantees..

again misinformed yabanc"y" but no... that should inhibit your slander regardless if its full of bul$%it

coming to Europe to steal passengers and paradoxically subjugating expat pilot often from EU, hired through shady agencies and lies, to its retrograde and discriminating "company culture"

what so basically if A has an inferior product than B and A is not from your country or "geographic culture" then B is stealing ??? wtf ...what kinda narcotics or acid are you on for Christ sake? its a business regardless even if they 2 are from the same geographic location the point is to be competitive and capture market share.... mate your more than welcome to go to communist nation if your looking for equality in business
BTW those "shady agencies" you imply are mostly located in Europe .....

you are "exited" but you "excitement" will not last long...trust me

Tango Sierra I'm long gone but still have friends and hey are all about to leave or looking for alternatives. Of my class of 16 only two are still there so that is a more or less 94 % attrition in three years..not bad for a place where everybody is happy

Be real will ya for one microsecond in your life ...firstly ever since i noticed your threads .. oo let me see 2009-10ish your always taking about the "big exidous".. still waiting after what 4 years ... the fact is you will NEVER have a completely happy workforce nor will you ever have a completely happy employee that's a FACT (more so as an expat)... im sure even in you Utopian organisation there are a few loud whingers there too... things are not perfect here but to say you will brushed aside as soon as the locals have enough number .. yeh may be in 15-20 years time .. have you sat down and crunched the numbers .. they are expecting over 200 air frames till 2023.. 20 737 alone next years plus the narrow and wide buses and the 777... then you got the 3rd airport under construction as we speak that will handle 150mil pax per annum.... there is no way in the near future the locals will be able to fulfill the number... period!!! ... so may i suggest to stop procrastinating from your rear bowls and start putting objective numbers rather than scare mongering...

State and religion are not separated in Turkey. Islam is wittingly or unwittingly influencing everything and everyone and you have to be blind not to see it. Mine was just a joke but humor has no place down there. Ok ..the virgins are actually 72.

really pathetic attempt at humor... i dont care nor do most of the expats here (with a professional expat mindset other than you idealistic or imperialistic vision) at how things are run in the country .. there are way more worse places to work than in Istanbul but then again you vision only goes as far as your nose with blinkers on....


SEXTUP:

I heard this story about sick leave. If you don't go to specific hospital no pay. Friend of mine went with 39 fever and vomiting.. Isn't this a clear violation of most basic rights??? Europe..EASA..with their attitude looks more probable they will join the ISIL CAA...

not true at all ... you are free to goto what ever hospital you please however is the hospital clinic or department (usually private hospitals) does not have a agreement with the social security (SGK) institution then the medical report must be validated by a governmental clinic or hospital. its got nothing to do with THY but rather to do with you social security payments and privilege set by the SGK. Not a big issue done that a few times my self the private medical cover THY give is usually accepted by 99% private hospitals in ISt, the medical clinic or "saglik ocak" they call it within the originating hospital districts just stamps and confirms the prognosis and thats ittt.. it takes 20-30 min .. and just email the document to the flight medical dept ...once the rest is finished you go to the flight ops medical dept and get a check up hand in the original then start flying....

flydive1:
Yaban"y" has 9 post because his previous nick and post were most likely banned or censored because of the utter garbage, insensitive and disgraceful content it had..... he like to see himself as the messiah of aviation but in reality his just a chap swimming in his own bull###

Sag73: 2 visits to the YOK in person (1 to give application the other to pic up the document if you dont want it delivered) depending on where you education was done could take 1 month to 6 months... govt institutions ... but you will need to have transcripts as well (makes copies as they takes the originals (transcripts that is).....very important!!!

[flydive1]

Originally Posted by GF4RCE

flydive1:
Yaban"y" has 9 post because his previous nick and post were most likely banned or censored because of the utter garbage, insensitive and disgraceful content it had..... he like to see himself as the messiah of aviation but in reality his just a chap swimming in his one bull###

I did not notice the slight change in his nickname.
I thought he did something like Stexup, deleting all his post to regain some kind of virginity.

Very similar rants the two of them

[yanbancypilot]

Wow..G4Force have you ever thought of writing a novel? But please change format you citations are becomin more and more annoying to say the least. I did not change any frikking nickname and I was never " banned" for your info. Truth hurts this is the fact.
I again really don't see any attack on Islam in saying that you get 72 virgin when you go to paradise because that is what the Quran says. And if you want to tell me that the Turkish Government has no Islamist agenda ..ask the Turkish people what they think about it. I really cannot see how this statement can be defined as slender in a democratic and free speech environment. Turkish people I admit are not really acquainted to this unfortunately. . Many of the practices in place in THY would not be legal in the EU and are quite right stupid .The tax break granted by the Government of which THY is arm and marketing instrument for example. .Let's compete my friend but starting with same rules. Just for you info the EU parliament is discussing this issue in this very moments.
Let's see where THY ends up having to abide to EU rule.
The attrition rate. speaks for it self. The treatment reserved to foreign pilot has been poor and you get what you ask for. Sag 73 I feel for you. You can try and got trough the process but it will be useless. Long ago a British FO with an engineering degree got it s degree refused as many coming with aviation degrees based on ATPL .Turksih education is very demanding ( multiple answer tests ) German, British, French, Italian and so on ...institution cannot compete Beside this degree story is just plain bull**** and again in In Europe would be illegal.
I read on this very forum how many discovered about it after joining as it was kept hidden with the complicity of the Irish recruiter, Add the story seem to repeat as it would appear recently non type rated candidates where asked to pay form their own pocket on the last day of screening. This indicates an attitude.I trust not everybody writing on this forum is " islamophobic " and "slanderous" like me therefore I suggest, as I think you are an FO righteously looking for a career path, to you to search ( you should have done this before) also for posts on seniority that I cannot find at the moment but if I remember well from one day to the other foreign FO where sent , degree or not degree to the last positions of it.
The reason for all this is the innate hyper nationalistic attitude of Turkey and the fact that the Government is looking for internal consensus. Any job given to foreigners is one less vote this is why you can consider your self , notwithstanding the propaganda a temporary fix until new Turk national will be ready to take your place. Over 100 pilots left in my group in few weeks seen the stubborn attitude of THY. Don't hope they will ever change.
Flydive1...you are in all forums, discussing of FAA license on one, ATR42 job on the other..and so on.Instead of snooping others accounts come on find an hobby or talk to a psychiatrist.

[flydive1]

Originally Posted by yanbancypilot

Flydive1...you are in all forums, discussing of FAA license on one, ATR42 job on the other..and so on.Instead of snooping others accounts come on find an hobby or talk to a psychiatrist.

Yes, I try to help where I can, or sometimes just express my opinion, without ranting about and insulting other countries or users of the forum.
But I see you read the Italian forum too, just like your friend Stexup.

No need to snoop others accounts, your posts counter is just below your username. Nice cleanup by the way.

Now waiting for a new PM with threats and insults from stexup and maybe from you, for change.

[yanbancypilot]

Flydive I'm not fluent but I can understand enough if needed. But your 893 posts on such heterogeneous topics such as Canadian licenses, formula 1 broadcasting ,FAA license conversion, Aerolineas Argentinas German and Austrian aviation scene and so on... are enough to prove that your are just a sciolist with a lot of time to waist ,minding things that are not of his competence and showing psychological issues in an obsession to investigate other posters identity. You are not working and never worked for THY and you are not even a pilot most probably. This leaves open the question: what is that you want? I don't have to justify myself. Still I'm not insulting anyone even less a country or religion. Fact is that is culturally difficult there to accept criticism and irony and that the "levantine" attitude is what has kept them out of Europe for 45 years..not religion as they like to believe to justify their "levantine" attitude. Turkish Airlines is just the proof that Turkey is not ready to embrace the values of inclusion and mutual respect needed. That is my point. I don't know stexup at all but sure I understand his frustrations if he is or was involved with THY in any way.

[LeGu]

again?

Ok yabancy, we all appreciate your posts...thank you very very very much. You warned us

Now, step aside kid and let real pilots discuss about this topic.

[yanbancypilot]

Why bother replying to idiots? He is just a wannabe ..look to his posts. I could be your father..ass.Sure he seem macho enough...poor thing....👌

[QCM]

The purpose of any forum should be to give hints,share experience,with facts to help decision making...so if this thread can come back to its initial purpose I would try a question....
Anyone can inform me,here if possible or via PM if preferred,about the lifestyle as B777 direct entry Captain?
Rosters,salary,commuting,or possible to keep family in Istanbul?
Any other suggestion?
By advance many thanks...

[lowstandard]

I agree with QCM. I understand if some people have had a bad experience, its good to share as part of a decision making process.

If any one has an honest and objective viewpoint of a DEC position at THY, please let us know. I think as most of us on this forum are expats, we understand the pitfalls of moving abroad. It would be nice to hear just the facts sir or ma'am..

[Boeingrestricted]

in that case,..not exhaustive though!??!

It's a captain's airline trying to change this in many and various ways. Both pros. and neg.
money to the company is everything, unexplainable unless you are part of it . now this is a one way traffic for you..(neg.)
Expect deductions, see above, for example due to genuine sick leave.
Some of the managerial actions understandable to locals will stay a mystery to expats.(this will be a neg. experience to you and sadly a revolving door on several aspects.)
Many more aspects, too many to address.

[porkflyer]

For anyone with a minimum of professional pride and integrity a no go. You will eat you liver from the frustration. For those thinking of leaving the sandpit and finding paradise..think twice. Do you really think the proud Turkish masters of the sky will leave a 777 seat to you for one day longer than strictly necessary ? Beside THY HR managers ( and not only ) live in an imaginary world where Istanbul is the best place on hearth. Reality? An overpopulated nil English speaking mess . This gig is only good for EU legacy retired guys looking for a short term boat paying years in a "forgiving" environment. Bringing your family to Istanbul? Impossible if you have kids in school...it will cost you a fortune.. up to 15000 USD x kid .forget about it. Beside any small problem you will have to be dealt with in the local idiom with zero help or cooperation form the company For FOs a a big NO NO NO !!. Just heard from some guy still in Turkistan some are about to sue PARC and THY for fraud...