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Old 8th Apr 2014, 15:03
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Careful with your bidding ...

New York, Boston and Washington ... multiple (3) crew, from next month.
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Old 8th Apr 2014, 16:22
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Yep.... Two captains and 1 FO from what I heard.

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why not two FOs and One captain like what Air France does.
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Old 8th Apr 2014, 16:38
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How do you know it's a 3 man crew? Where does it state that?

I checked the pairing reports and couldn't detect anything there.
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Old 8th Apr 2014, 16:59
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Didn't they try this once before?
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Old 8th Apr 2014, 17:16
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they tried but some of us didn't go into discretion, many did tho.
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Old 8th Apr 2014, 17:23
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yep, just checked the pairing for JFK
TRIP # 201 (MT) [1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0]
TRIP # 5201 (MT) [0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0]

So only a Capt on the 5201.

Looks like 203/5203 is OK tho
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Just had a quick look (really need a life) and BOS is showing as 2 Capts and 1 FO but IAD still sowing as a 4 man crew. Hmmmmmm.....
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How does that work? Haven't been in the right seat for years. Is there a requirement to be current in the seat one occupies? Interesting.
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1000 points to avoid CKY
Company strangely silent on Ebola outbreak.
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Operational Update | About Emirates | Emirates United Arab Emirates
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Good luck with your 1000 pts avoid CKY bid...
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Unbelievable.......
3 men crew......
But the sad thing is that most of us will go into discretion......
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 07:33
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Guys Guys !!!
What does your Chp 7 say the limit is ? Can you all agree on what the max FDP is and margin before one goes into discretion for this JFK trip u mention ;
So answers please ; Ya got to put things into Context before having a gripe to the internet community , ....

BTW: authorities will contact the airline in question if a certain leg
Is going into discretion too much and instruct the airline to resolve any Flt issues without delay; guess crew members will have to keep track of all reports and if concerned ;follow up with the authorities to ensure they have received your report.

So guys calculators out please ; what's the limit ???
We can't comment until facts are present ! Otherwise enjoy your flight to the big apple ; your bar bill just got cheaper with a man down

Furthermore: If your crew reduction on this trip is true ; is this actually going to take place all ahead of the well publicised runway closure in Dubai ? Interesting times for sure , so answers please ...

Last edited by HighLow; 9th Apr 2014 at 07:56. Reason: Q:on RWY closure in Dubai
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 08:46
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ek201 is a 14:45 hrs duty. 3 crew with 4 hrs rest in the CRC can work for 15 hrs (13+2) before discretion. am I right?

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Old 9th Apr 2014, 09:05
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A bit silly to try this during the runway closure period.

Delays will almost certainly result in necessary FTL discretion.
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 09:29
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So I'll be making sure that my times are marked correctly, I work them out and double and triple check and then when it comes to going into discretion I shall be giving my thumbs down. Why should I risk the lives of my crew and passengers just so that the company can save a few fils because heaven forbid anything happens it'll be my fault.
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 12:24
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Planned 15 hrs is not the flight plan time it's planned time from statistical winds . This was done on the 345 one or two summers and yes 15 -20 mins to spare before discretion . Poor planning based on the Rwy closure . Just had a look, it's 1415 duty for FTL's the 30 mins post flight are for rest planning.
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 16:02
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ULR Rules

Gents, Calm down.

A pairing is categorised as an Ultra Long Range (ULR) Operation when the scheduled flight time could exceed 14 hours taking into account the mean and seasonal wind changes
So if at any time during the year the flight time is over 14 hrs a flight is a ULR.
It remains a ULR even if the flight time drops below 14hrs..I.e JFK in summer.

Now...All ULR's must be planned with 4 crew..

A ULR crew will normally comprise of 2 Captains and 2 First Officers but may be revised to 1 Captain and 3 First Officers subject to the approval of DSVP-FO
It is clearly a miss print on the trips descriptions as it also shows all 3am departure variation flights (MAA,COK etc) having 3 crew as well.

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Old 9th Apr 2014, 17:23
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Fliion , just so you know the 3 man thing has been report to the FAA before, but by all means go ahead. Last time they did nothing, the FAA audit was right after that summer .
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